Pyramid scheme

I love Quixtar.com! Even though I’m not doing it my friends are and they make good money. One of them is going to retire soon, she’s only 19 years old. That beats my job’s retirement plan any day. Even though I’m deaf I’m still thinking about how Quixtar could work for me.

John

Stupid spammer.

I love QuickScar, I’ve earned so much money in my spare time with the suckers who are… excuse me… distributers who are under me, that I’m buying Canada and moving every one out! All will just 2 weeks under the quxtar plan.

I’m sure the 19 year thinks she’s going to retire… but I have no doubt she doesn’t understand basic math. But then again, maybe she’s found enough suckers to keep her wealthy. Who knows.

I think that there are alot of start ups out there that pretend to be that “we are not like the others” pyramid business out there. I have worked for a direct sales company and they use a pyramid scheme. One guy from class tried to rectruit me for one of those BWW businesses and I recognized his marketing scheme and i knew it was a pyramid when he told me to goto a meeting that one of his senior partners was going to present. Basically, its a way to make money off all the stupid people out there who dont even know what e-commerce is.

Quixtar is Amway, “Millenium Style”! Same owners. I was approached tonight, got all the samples. Still Amway labels on the packaging, when I asked, the reasoning was that BWW has Amway as one of it's major suppliers. Funny, I wonder what happened with the Woods vs Amway case. Maybe it is the reason for the name change.

Yeah, I've been reading up on pyramid schemes and Quixtar. I didn't put the two together until now. hehe. Someone is trying to recuit me. I'm glad there is an internet to quickly read up on this type of stuff.

I just want to say this, If any of you had just one would actually look at how this works, you would wouldn't be thinking it was a pyramid sceme. In a pyramid sceme the people at the top get all of the money. Well, in this it is possible to make more money than the person above you, so I don't want to hear a word about it being a pyramid. And another thing, tell me this, If you are not willing to have people making money for you then why is it that you go to work everyday and make money for your boss? If you ask me, that is a lot more like a Pyramid than this can ever be. But of course, if you ever actually looked at how it works instead of just thinking you know everything there is to know, then you would understand. but I guess you love your 9 to 5 dead-end job. I personally would like to have a life, not a boss.

I have looked at how it works. People have tried to recruit me twice. After seeing how it worked, I wanted to have nothing to do with it. I don't want to be pressured into recruiting my family and friends into the system. I don't want to waste time and money on tapes and seminars to improve my performance. Those are things I don't have to deal with at my “9 to 5 dead-end job.” Luke, if you bother to come back, please answer this: What percentage of the money you make comes from sales to people who aren't in the Quixtar/Amway business?

My husband was recruited by some guy he goes to school with to join Quixtar and because I support him and want him to succeed I'm going along with it. BUT, I hate the people in this “buisness” they can't see beyond the dollar bill signs. They want you to dump your friends and hang out with them. They talk about the damn business ALL the time. They want you to go to meetings, harass your friends and are just a pain in the butt! I hope my husband gets tired of this soon.

Pyramid scheme or not this is not a money maker. I know a handful of people who I thought were fairly intelligent. Boy was I wrong. They attempted to “convert” me to this “business” I did research and resisted. Now they are out money and never made a dime. But they bought a case of toothpaste for a hell of a price. So they thought. If anyone pays attention to prices they can figure out there is no benefit. Somone is making money however, the top 1/10th of 1%. I wish I was that person who capitalized on all the idiots out there!

My friends are in quixstar, they have been for months. They keep talking about how they dont want a job because they are going to make so much money with quixstar. They say that they own work and work doesnt own them. HA the funny part is they havnt made a dime in quixstar and they are still borrowing money from their parents because they have to spend so much money going to stupid meetings, buying books and all kinda of bull crap. They spend hours and hours upon hours a week getting ppl to be an IBO. Its all a wayste of their time if you ask me because they are suppost to be makeing boo koo's of money and are broke all the time. Well email me if u wana. Peace

Well, I really wish that I was at the top… but that spot is reserved for the kings (the VERY few) and built on idiots that are willing to buy their own products. I bought into the Quixway crud and feel kind of burned by the whole mess. Good thing I only lost 130 bucks… I would have hated to lose the respect of my family and friends as well. I will call it a learning lesson. I am ashamed that I wanted to be a part of this materialistic, mind-erasing capitalist cult. I will just stay in college and become one of those ” corporate slaves”. That way, I won't be a slave to a dream that will never become a reality. By the way Luke, do you talk about anything else besides the “business” anymore? I know my (poor, dreaming) friends do not. How much of a life does this leave to be lived? If anyone is out there thinking about this “business”, think about this: How willing are you to burn your money, your individuality, your time, and the respect of your friends? Just think about it, that's all. I am glad I did before I lost it all. My friends are still coming up to me and telling me that I should put this into effect. Are they convincing me… or themselves?

Quixtar sucks. The scheme may be well made, but the people and their thought pattern are abominable. Most of the people are ass-hole. I agree some are good, but percentage is very few.
They have no basic concept of life's values.
They are stupid and shameless.

All u people should be ashamed of yourselves.
you have a brain for a reason so why dont you use it for something other then scamming people. I have a old family friend trying to recruit me into this “business”, and I'm losing more and more respect for him. (not like I had any respect for him in the beginning) For anyone thinking about joining Quixstar DON'T!!!!!

I thought I read in the beginning that comments were to be kept at a civil level?? Name calling is not nice.. I have read all the comments and some people clearly made very good points. However, I dont think some should confuse Amway with Quixtar, although similar, not the same. Probably due to all the lawsuits amway experienced, the company designed it to be more legitimate, I guess. I have browsed & shooped through many of the stores associated with Quixtar and they are legit. I didn't shop Amway! my choice- they are not a major supplier.
Anyway, If people want to choose Quixtar as their form of employ- leave them alone - so much negativity- its no different then any other sales job out there. ANd re: pyramids, lets look at chains of commands in reg employs…. oh did I say Chain…lol my bad.

I went to a meeting last night with my nephew, it sounded like amway, felt like amway, but no one ever mentioned amway. I agree, only a few get rich, but the majority of the people involved get used and robbed. What I dislike about the it is that, people become targets with dollar signs attached, sort of like selling your soul for a few dollars.

Only the strong really survive. The weak just crawl in a corner and complian how they never made any kind of impact on there lives as well as anybody elses life. Take it from me keep your job if they let you keep it and stop bashing other peoples business. Thank You

I wonder if all the people who compain about quixtar have ever tried a diet or been on a treadmill, and they never lost wait . the problem is not with the treadmill or the business if you get what you put in. instead of writing crap on the pc you should be out meeting people, or at least get a hobby. anyone reading this in the biz get out, dont put crap into your mind. later, i gotta go diamond. you can too.

More legitimate, Ray? That implies that there's still something wrong.

Gotta go diamond, baby! Matt, honey, I'll see you in a few years. I'm going away for awhile so I can bring us back the bling one can make from selling your every day comodities!

I was coming home from work today to look at this morgage company's owner's computer. 10 Mins into being there i realize i forgot my windows cd (i was installing it) and was about to leave, but just then the owner came in from a meeting and almost BEGGED me to stay and hear a seminar they were having. So i reluctantly agreed to stay for a while, well, long story short i left there 2 hours later thinking that Quixtar and BWW are the greatest thing that ever happened. Well, almost anyway.. i'm never 100% sure on anything until i see hard nock proof. but now after reading these comments i feel like such a fool. I can't believe how i was almost convinced how this scam would really give me $2000-$3000 extra cash a month, plus all the little “benefits” they pay out for how much you make the guy above you richer. Guh.. now i wish i would have just came straight home, and i wonder if these people actually believe the things that they are saying..
-Brian

well, what the heck am i supposed to do. it seems like a pyramid but it is a MLM because it sells good products from the same brand names you buy at wal mart or on the net. i just can't get over how my referring ibo will always be fed off my sucess even if i become diamond and he doesnt do anything. the only people i get ahead are the people below me and they cant get past me. what it that? how can that be legal ? i haven't started yet but am considering, i could be a great salesman, and i would mind risking the couple hundred bucks if it did work. internet business is going to be the future maybe we should get in while things are still raw. i don't know. i got two weeks to decide, can somebody help me?

anybody ever wonder why this company goes after young people all the time. Its cause they want money and they'll willing to overlook the reality of the situation for the chance to do it. This IS a pyramid scheme- no question, and its bullshit that companies like this exsist. Get real for a minute - if you look at this objectively and if you have any knowledge of business or commerce you know this is shit.- companies like this deserve to be shut down. Someone is trying to recruit me right now- i've got a cd and a pamphlet- I think I'll shove them up his ass. That'll teach him. But yeah join up and have fun if want I'mm sure they'll screw ya over nice in the end.

Hey! I believe this works. I got a friend that is a Eagle. And, I'm starting it too. I just went to one of the conventions down in Minneapolis. I rather be making money then sitting down watching tv and being a couch potatoe. Would u wanna work everyday or would u wanna have the time to enjoy life. Getting the stuff that you really wanted. Like a new car, a new house. yes, I realize the people above you are getting richer but then the people below you is making you richer too. and it goes on and on… it never ends.

Yeah, What do you have to lose. Its just like any other job. They can also rip you off too. I want to make 60 grand per year… I want to become a top notch person and go traveling, spend time with ur love ones, and be debt free. Why work my life away when i can only work 2 to 5 years if I really work hard at this. its your choice if you want to join or not. By putting other people down is not right. they choose to join and let them. u got the right to say no ur not interested but if other people want to let them.

was approached by a quixtar/bww person in street. it sounded promising and easy etc. haven't signed up yet, don't plan to b/c i'm skeptical and since i have a lot more info, i feel like exposing them @ one of their conferences…but the people that intro-ed me are very nice and so are all the other newbies…all so nice, asian/minorities, no business sense, easily won over…..i don't want to see these people scammed…what should i do??????? suggestions, info, links?????
(justice must be served to these parasitic scumbags)

I know more than 40 people who have retired from their jobs. All can't be “at the top”, I will be out by May, 2004. This thing works!!! If it didn't for you it's cause you are lazy.

I was just introduced the whole quixstar and bww program a couple of nights ago. It would be great to make some money but im really skeptical because they made it sound sooo good. Anyone in here know how you actually make money from this program? And the guy who introduced me to the whole thing was excited by the fact that im 19 years old, and that i have a lot of young friends and cousins….wierd.

Quixstar, I was presented by this “System” from a friend of mine and I was open-minded. However, there are a couple things wrong with the whole ideology of the concept. You change your “Budgeting” habits to purchase a case of Vitamins and Protein bars to reach a “100 point level” in which you would never would of considered purchasing at your local Kroger or Wal-Mart for $20 let a lone the Quixstar price of $120. So for the small percentage that you received as a kickback for buying products off of the Quixstar website in which you wouldn't buy in the first place you are out $250 (which is the amount that they suggest to reach your 100 point bonus. So you are down $250 and lets take on $40 for the “Quixstar training material” so you are down $290. So how long does it take in all of your bonuses and all of your people below you to cover at least $290 a month and what is most important your time!! I also enjoy the whole “Helping” ideology. If Quixstar was all about helping and training there IBO's below them why does Quixstar charge $10 for a cassette tap when it costs them 50 cents for bulk duplication?? Isn't that the same as the record industry, however they don't even have to pay royalties?? However I am glad everyone still is wearing those nice suites, talks about “Joe Blow” and his Ferrari but lets don't forget they all go to church, which makes them more Legit, Right??

This is very entertaining! First of all, no one has to try to prove if Quixtar works or quixtar doesn't work. It doesn't. The individual does. Just like a vehicle. Everyone who participates in Quixtar has their own goals and can set the pace for their own business. It is not about recruiting people or using people to get rich. It's really about giving people an oppurtunity to conrol their lives and future. Most people in the world may never get that chance… but it is a simple American right. I personally know several people ie doctors, lawyers, pastors, accountants, engineers, dentists, military captains, business owners, as well as employees, who have successfully managed their quixtar business and replaced their previous income and then some. Many wives (including my very best friend) have been able to quit their jobs to be with and raise their babies and children because of the work that she and her husband have done to create $3000 a month supplemental income. I respect them for it. And they don't just sell soap. They have a wonderful line of organic vitamins, organic baby food, amazing cleaners and detergents, the best diapers and wipes that I have ever used, makeup comparable to estee lauder or lancome, a world of superior products, not to mention all of the partner stores that you can shop at and get points for. bass pro shop, motherhood maternity, ibm, mci, nextel, babystyle, toy r us, disney, the list goes on and on. Who doesn't want to accumulate points for everything they buy and because the advertising is based on referrals, the companies pay you back for referring people to shop at their store. It seems pretty legit to me. No ridiculous comments are rather accusations are valid. The only Proof is personally knowing people (normal educated people) who have been very successful with quixtar. Ther is no need to feel as though you have a mission to warn people about these made up hidden agendas or schemes. This has got to stop. What in the world has made you people so negative with such violent language. Don't be the person who no one wants to be around.

Leslie, i agree with you that the person or quixtar are the basis for individual performance…………..but the methods the “uplines” use no matter what the “Carrier” be it world wide group or BWW they stink! we are (like it or not) baited in with suggestions of increadible wealth, just to be told the friends who dont come-along are losers and you'll ned to prospect 25 people a day because really only 3 will visit with you and only .4 of them will actually join and be productive….. oh ya-you'll need to buy all these cd's and tapes to be successfull and by the way the manufacture is one of the top 50 people at amway…….oops i mean BWW or WWG. and there is much more to this than above mentioned also. if this stuff were to come out sooner a person may no be so defensive about joining, or being so up-set at being lied to in the begining about the 14-20 years it will really take to quit your “stupid ol' job!
good luck with your new found success.

I'm glad to see that all of you out there are so wise to not fall into “pyramid scheme. I mean the fact the you probably work at one makes no difference. This is based online and therefore it is all of a sudden different than the job you already probably have? This has so many opportunities, and the part you may think is a “pyramid” is only a small part of it. Myabe you should all stop thinking you know everything. If you look at how franchises started you would see that this business is one big franchise. If you get past being a know it all and put in some effort just like you do at your current job, then maybe you will see the opportunity that you once I had. I say once because anyone doing this right doesn't push it, because it should be self evident that it is a money maker or the person isn't cut out for this type of opportunity. So I hope all of you are happy you missed out, and I hope whoever told you about it is smart enough to not give you a second chance. Oh and by the way for all of you who think you have such great questions tell me this: When was the last time the owner of the company you worked at helped you to become his equal?

I joined quixtar for $113 dollars canadian. Sold 4 packs of Double XX's and made $111.20 in the first month. I broke even. Next month I'll profit $111.20 because all four of my customers really love the Double XX. That's just one product, and it's only retail so far. Hummmmm I wonder what's next in store for me. I am making money and I'm not spending it on tapes, trips, functions, books. I just decided to make some money first.

Just checking out some opinions after attending a Quixstar meeting for the first time. Still havent't formed a concrete opinion of my own about this. I think I need to see, read, and hear more, both pro and con. The last comment from Canada sounded rational and reasonable.

There are two ways to look at this. Negative or positive. Each will determine their outcome. Okay, true story, this should clear things up ! one very successful american man in quixtar was depositing a very large pv check and the teller was so shocked at the amount that he said “this one deposit is more than I made in 5 years.” Then he asked the man “what do you do?” When the man mentioned Quixtar, the teller said “oh I've been to one of those meetings…” and the man said ” Really, What did you think about it?'' “Well I didn't believe it.” “well I did!”

My Uncle does Quixtar. He is making a lot of money. He's acutally working with someone in a completely separate 'up-line' that is helping him achieve the amount of wealth that he desires to be able to do what he wishes. He's a Senior Mechanical Engineer at a very respected firm (I'll not note it but can do so if emailed and asked).

Within the next year, he should be making $250k, and he already makes a rather comfortable sum.

And for general information, I start this upcoming Friday (tomorrow). And I never bought any tapes, they were GIVEN to me.

Scott, the story you are talking about is a personal anecdote of Gregory Duncan. And it wasn't a bank teller, it was a banker. The kind with their own office and desk. A fair difference.

According to my Uncle, with my work ethic, within 6 months I'll be able to leave my current employ. I don't intend on doing Quixtar forever. I'm doing it so I can have a steady income that will allow me to attend college full-time. Then I'll leave and start my own business after college.

Since I have my own flesh and blood doing Quixtar, and VERY successfully, I see no reason why I couldn't either.

I'm sorry guys… but Quixtar IS Amway, EXACT SAME company, place, owners. Quixtar = Amway Online

The most infamous pyramid scheme company, has enough money to stay in business regardless of their business practices, and go online.

HERE IS IRREFUTIBLE PROOF!!
read it for yourself

http://www.angelfire.com/ky/xamway/ebiz.html

please don't make a mistake uninformed, if you are the kind of person that has to make mistakes on your own, knock yourself out, just remember you were warned

I believe the question will soon change from “Can I make it in Quixtar” to “Would I want to make it in Quixtar”?

Ya….I was recruited like 3 days ago and I'm stunned about it. I believe this is a “pyramid scheme” but the money is dispursed among those who communicate and “share this opportunity”..aka “sell this business” more adequitely. I'm 19 years old and I have had family and friends who have done amway and equinox and the big difference here is that it is legit and people who try to sue them will fail because of the fact that it is possible to make money if you earn it. I just heard about this 5 days ago and am in the process of becoming and IBO. I already have about 4 people lined up to be IBO's and hopefully they show the same motivation and ambition as I do…so we can prosper together. Like Duncan said…he believes in this system and so do I and I can convince people that they can to.

Well, I am VERY disappointed. All the people that trash the biz and scream “PYRAMID”. Pyramids are illegal, and quixstar is a member of the BBB. I think it's sad that people would rather listen to Joe Blow on the internet, rather than a Lawyer, CEO, Doctor, or someone who is making a lot of money in any job. When I first got into quixstar I studied it for a long time. My friends spoke badly about me. So I thought “who would I listen to? A guy working at a dept. store, labourers, someone who does not make much money…or a doctor, dentist, business man/woman who do make money.” I made the right choice and will be retiring in a year or so. It does disturb me watching someone slave away for someone elses dream, rather than work for thier own. But thats the way it is. I hear people complaining about being broke and blaming quixtar. Obviously they have not done it properly. You use the money you create yourself to travel and buy biz material. It's all a tax write off. This is a biz. A lot of people just don't get it, and get confused with MLM and e-commerce. This is a great business, but it's not for everyone. Instead of reading the bathroom wall I mean internet, try reading a business magazine.
I hope people make the right choice. Enjoy work.

It is funny that all of the rebuttals that are spoken to defend Amway or Quixstar are just verbiage that is being regurgitated from the tapes and CD that’s is being sold by “Who Else” the business/training side of Amway.

Be honest with yourself.

Nobody can tell you that you will be successful and Amway is that road to success, (AKA Greg Duncan”) you have to tell yourself.

Just be honest with yourself and trust your GUT Feelings. If it doesn't sound right, smell right, and feel right….It is probably not right.

Well, it's been a week or so since I signed up. I've already made my money back and then some (one of my friends bought a computer that saved her 600$, one of my bosses is about to buy one as well)

I've never bought a single tape/cd, and am not pushing tapes or cd's.

The amount you make is directly proportionate to the amount of effort you put into the business.

This “business” may work for some people but someone will get screwed because the only way to make the kind of money these recruiters are telling you about is to recruit a certain amount of IBOs. And you'll tell them the same thing that your recruiter told you. But there aren't enough people in the world to keep this going if each IBO recruited six different people under them. Do the math. And to Drew, about the business magazine: I believe Forbes denounced this scam.

you know what a real scam is? beer commercials….

i approached an IBO 2wks ago and this week i will think about joining. i do have a lot of questions that i feel need to be answered first my question to you guys that have tried amway/bww/quixstar how long have you been doing this? has it been successful for you? and in relation to what other people are saying is it true that if you do not recruit that u will not really make that much money? the thing is that when i met w/an ibo she had me write some list w/names of people i know so i did we ended up w/ like 40 names she said have their phone numbers ready but i'm skeptical about giving these people my family and friends numbers why can't we just sell the products make our money and thats it why is it a pyramid but i'm willing to try it to see for myself

I've reading your posts about how Quixstar is or is not a pyramid and wanted to make sure some things were clear. A pyramid relies on the income of those below you to make money, not the sales. Quixstar does not have to be a pyramid, it depends on how it is treated. The reason it is a pryamid for the most part is how the plan itself is marketed. IBOs are encouraged to spend their own money to get their 100pv every month. That means the majority of sales are comming from IBO's income from other jobs. Usually it is presented as investing in your own business.

Now if IBOs were making the majority of their sales to outside consumers then it is not a pyramid at all, but only about 18% of all Quixstar's income comes from non-distributors (or so last time I checked, could have changed).

You do not need to become affiliated with Bww.com if you think it is like a job. Those who are really stupid and think that when you get in you are going to recieve a pay check like you job even if you do nothing. Those people who make money with a quixtar business are not just setting around and setting hey people in to our pyramind scheme. Most of the successful ones really care about people. It is a business. I have seen it first hand. If you do nothing you get nothing. That is why 20-50 year old people are complaining and a 19 year old girl is about to retire and probably has even graduated from High School. Trying to stop people from joining is not the answer. You need to do what you have to do to get your life straight. I have seen people fail and I have seen people make it all at the same time with Quixtar. Stay away if you believe it is a pyramid it is not for you!

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finding Quixtar mentioned on MANY blogs. And, it should not surprise anyone that most of blogs have a somewhat negative view of Quixtar. This is a trend I’ve noticed before . The most interesting blog-find today comes from a guy named Matthew Gifford. HisBlog Post about Quixtar dates back to August, 2002. It’s short, concise and negative. The really fascinating thing about this blog post is that there are 48 (to date) comments posted by folks discussing the merits of Quixtar and most of these comments were made since July of th

Quixtar is a great com pany with people who unforutnately show less than acceptable business practices. In network marketing or any business, it should be a win-win relationship for both parties.

The one thing I disagree with Quixtar and the old Amway business plan is that it allows people to make money off tools like tapes and books. The money should be made from the business. Period.

I have been very successful with other networkmarketing companies and am going to join quixtar and build the business correctly: with an emphasis on customer service and treating people well. Remember, noone likes to be sold!

I only have 3 things to say

9 steps = Success!
Think broke = Stay broke!
WHY = HOW

Figure those three out and you'll be happy!

Love,

Milton

My sister and her husband got me started in Quixtar and I couldn't be happier. they live on one side of the state and I live on the other there is not another IBO for 400 miles. I make about 400 dollars a month PROFIT thats after purchasing things for my own use. It come down to a matter of want to, do you want to be independant or do you want someone controling when and where you work every day of your life.

Lookout for BWW this guy came to my house and promise me an average of $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 a month. After researching I told him this is a pyramid sheme!!!!.

my brother in law and his family have joined quixstar for a little over 2yrs now. all they talk about is the “business” and if your not interested they dont really talk to us that much they rave to his parents who in turn rave to us about how many times they have reached another “goal” when they originally started with this they did try to recruite me and my husband because we had a small child i guess we looked like the kind of people who wanted that extra income and of course i would want to stay home with our child.Needless to say this has caused a large rif in the family between my husband and his brother because he wanted nothing to do with the “business” and after hearing all the time i would have to invest after working my regular forty hour week and time away from my baby neither did i. we need some way for them to understand our side of things but as some of the coments say its like a cult and they tellyou dont have anything to do with people who dont beleive like they do.they also tried to get us to get involved with the church side of the “business”well that just freaked me out making me think CULT! Please let me know if have any ideas?

“answer this: What percentage of the money you make comes from sales to people who aren't in the Quixtar/Amway business?”

It depends on how you operate your business. If you want, you could do nothing but sell products to clients and members. When they say it's YOUR business, they mean it. Your supplied with all the exclusive products, and affiliate products, the tools, the mentorship, etc. The very reasons why not everybody starts their own business; these are the things Quixtar has to offer.

“The one thing I disagree with Quixtar and the old Amway business plan is that it allows people to make money off tools like tapes and books. The money should be made from the business. Period.”

When you are on Standing Order Tapes/Books, you pay exactly how much it cost your upline. No profit being made. If someone is charging more than just cost, they should be reported.

Hello,
I'm a 21 yr old that's about to join Quixtar myself. And I don't believe it to be a scam.
$60 for me to join really isn't that big of a deal that's like buying a new X-box or PS2 game so I'm not crying any tears.
I already have 2 other people about to sign up under me. And that's just by explaining to them how Quixtar works and they don't have to pay to join either…memebers are free and there making me money just by signing up.
But don't get me wrong I'm not greedy, I want people to also be free from debt and to be able to live there dreams so that means I have to help them achieve that. That's what Quixtar is about, helping others to become wealthy so you to can become wealthy. And if you think about it the internet business is about to boom and alot more people will start buying there items from the internet, instead of going to the store with the kids and wasting all that gas. It's really about conveince
The way I see it…the more effort you put into your business the more you see in return. Just like any normal job you have to work hard to see results.
Also, I too have never had to pay for tapes they were given to me and even if I had to buy a couple of tapes, I have a CD burner so I'd just burn them for my new clients/members. I also have been invited to attending meetings but never have gone nor do I feel I need too.
Like I said it's all about how much effort you put into Quixtar. So if you think it's a scam then that's ok because everyone has the right to think what they want, but like everyone else says. You shouldn't try to tell people it's a scam because it's there own choice to join or not.

Me again. I'm still in Quixtar. I'm making a fair amount. It's started small and gradually grown. It's been 2 months but I've gotten back what I put in 4 times over (I've not started purchasing things for about my house like the laundry detergent and the sort yet, I start that next week)

I'm currently in the middle of a deal with a local Hotel, car dealership and RF Microwave Manufacturer about different products for each one.

All in all, any one of these will make me about $30,000 a year by their own projected figures. Not a one will become an IBO, so I'd have replaced my entire income under 6 months without bringing in another individual at all.

You don't have to speak to your friends at all if you don't want to. I know they don't want to hear it. They know when I hold meetings and show up when they feel like it. I don't bring it up to them.

You never have to speak to your friends, thus, my personal business, couldn't even remotely be considered a pyramid. My current complete income from Quixtar is from businesses.

Is it possible to be a Christian with a biblical world view - and listen to how this business will bring all that your life needs?

mmmm, no.

From what I've seen, it leans towards cult-ish.

I am currently starting my “New Business” as I write to you. I work about 35 hours a week at my normal job selling cellular service and I make between 1200 and 3500 a month. I work on strictly commission, and only get paid once a month now. I MAKE MY CHECK WITH MY EFFORT!! In anything you do you have to put forth the effort to do well. With Quixtar you decide how much you get back. If you only want to supplement your income then do so. A couple of hours a week for an extra income no matter how small is definitely worth it, and if you want bigger go for it. You really have nothing to lose. You'll hear alot of how they charge you for this and for that, but of course it's gonna take a little. It takes you a little to go to work everyday. Clothes, personal supplies, gas, etc.
Why not put the same effort into something that CAN give back much more than your job and takes less effort.
Call it a cult all you want, I have seen nothing but people promoting a Godly and moral lifestyle that accepts anyone from any race and any religion. These people don't just want to be rich, they sincerely like helping people not only make a better life financialy, but within their relationships with friends, family, spouses, and in opening their hearts to giving. This is not a get rich fast scheme, it takes work and it pays.
“What if it doesn't work?”
“What if some of these people are right?”
WHAT IF IT DOES WORK!!!
WHAT IF THEY AREN'T RIGHT!!!!!
If you don't want to put forth an effort you will never do this, or anything else in life for that matter.
Lastly, you have faith in your job to pay you, you have faith in your God to take care of you, you have to have faith in anything you do. This is no different, with faith you can do anything you put your mind and spirit into.

Oh, and by the way, I am not a Quixtar IBO yet, but you know what? I want to at least try to do better. If it doesn't do anything for me oh well, at least I will have tried and learned something.

What I don’t get is why don't you QUIXTAR IBOTs open up and tell the people you approach from the beginning who you work for instead of trying to sucker them into meeting you at your home for dinner to show charts and pie graphs for two hours.

Here is my story…
I was approached by Quixtar IBOTs who were sitting across from my wife and I on my birthday while enjoying a nice dinner. I was minding my business and said to my wife, “what a nice picture on the wall.” That was his opportunity to commitment about the same picture to start some small talk. But he of course immediately opened up with a series of questions about my background and what I do for a living and I explained I’m a telecom consultant. At the same time I’m saying to myself, “Damn this guy is very freakin noisy” Of course I fired right back with a series of questions as well. During my interrogation he explained he owned an e-commerce Internet based business and to myself I thinking I might be able to help this young business owner with issues like bandwidth and hosting requirements. So he asked if we could exchange numbers. And I thinking to myself, “Wow, this guy must be in need of some help because most business owners wouldn’t give you the time of day.” So I proceeded to ask more about his current use of his bandwidth and hosting requirements and it immediately dawned on me this guy had no clue about what I’m talking about. So I said maybe he’s doing so well he doesn’t have to worry about the day-to-day technical aspect of his business so we exchanged cards any.

A few days went by and he called about getting together over the weekend. I couldn’t and asked him to give me a call next week to see what my schedule looks like. Well during that time I decided to research his so called Internet based business and pulled up the domain name on his email-handle which directed me to Quixtar. Boy was I disappointed in myself for not recognizing this any sooner because I would have told him the first time he called don’t bother calling me because I’m not interested. Well that next week, Mr. IBOT called as agreed. He quickly fired off asking the question what day my wife and I are available to meet with him and his wife at their home to talk about their internet based business. I was frank in telling him I’m not interested in listening to what he has to talk about. Of course he asked why and I told him told him I don’t like the pyramid business model. He immediately went into raving about how much he's made and he's “going to” make and he was going to retire in 6 months from work. Hence: “Going To Make and retire from work in six months!” I asked the question, “Mr. IBOT how much money you’ve made year-to-date in this so called business of yours?” (Bonuses/commissions – expenses = profit) It was strange, he couldn’t tell me. I took it one step further by asking him to show me his monthly bank deposit statements outlining checks written out to him from Quixtar. He refused to want to show me. So I posed another question, “How do you expect me to believe you when you haven’t shown me the hard numbers of your so called business?” He had looked dumb founded and proceed to walk away.

I wasn’t out to make the IBOT look an idiot, rather to get him thinking about his approach and having his facts straight if he’s going to go to someone about what he’s doing so he will be able to answers questions like these to convince people to at least listen. Even if had done all these things, I would not have listened for the mere fact I’m familiar with Amway and no matter what they say, you are still working the employer, Quixtar. “How do you figure?” you may ask! Let’s see! First, Quixtar controls your selling pricing, they control how much you are going to make. Secondly you can’t do as you please with their product, meaning you can’t open up a retail outlet at malls or shopping centers. Neither of which you can negotiate. Last but not least, you are getting only a small percentage of the profit on the products you sell compared to what your employer gets. “Well It’s an internet based business and sell Quixtar products in a online retail environment on my website!” Wrong again, it’s not your website! They are providing you the conduit to use their domain name http://www.bbw.com/yourname, along with their servers and database you neither own which your clients log into and they get to see I hope a pretty picture of you and your spouse or your so called IBO business name.

So IBOTs be a real honest business man/woman about what you are doing before you misinforming your next victim about your so called business and trying to trap them into meeting you so you can show them circles after circles that some how end up forming the shape of a pyramid with you at the top!

The lesson from BWW, Quixtar and other such schemes is that no one wants to hand you a business opportunity unless they stand to benefit. And in all likelihood they stand to benefit far in excess of whatever you may gain. I was approaced by a fellow in a mall, who said he could “tell I had an eye for business.” How he could come to this conclusion having just met me while was shopping at the gap I don't know. Long story short, he asked me to meet he and his partners at a hotel room in Manhattan and I declined because I just did not trust the guy. He refused to tell me anything over the phone about the business he was running and why he wanted to include me. For all I know, he could have wanted to steal my kidneys.
In these tough economic times, its easy to think that money grows on trees and people like the guy I met thrive on this. They thrive on all of our uncertainties, fears and hopes of a better future.

!!!!IMPORTANT!!!!!
TO THOSE WHO ARE COTEMPLATING QUIXTAR OR OTHER AFFILIATE PROGRAMS

You are here for one of two reasons. You are here because you are contemplating Quixtar or some other marketing plan, or you are here because you have been trained to get on these message boards and defend Quixtar or others like it. If you are here for the second reason go to the next because you definitely won’t like this.
If you are here for the truth, your in luck and pay attention because it gets good. You are at the point where you are getting ready to hand money or more money (hopefully not) to someone because they believe that their system works. Quixtar will attack your guard on a level you never thought possible. They reach deep into your imagination and they find those dreams everybody has. The Lexus parked outside your 500K home and yourself enjoying that first of many cups of coffee you will enjoy in front of you pc that morning as you see your kids off to school. They play a psychological game with you; they make statements to build your interest.
Quixtar if you haven’t read in the previous postings is Amway. What Amway did was change the architecture of their sales structure. It is different thus legal again. Legal does not mean legitimate. You can thank politicians like George Bush and the Republican Party and all other politicians that allow this to go on. Quixtar will tell you they did a Billion in sales last year. This might be very likely indeed but the truth about Quixtar lies in the question of how.
Quixtar generates those statistics with DISHONESTY. They make the majority of their capital off the candidate for becoming IBO. If they can just get (n) amount of people recruited, that in itself makes up most of the yearly earnings. The rest of the money is generated by offering these tapes and products give as samples, business cards that say you are business owner. They so called mentors call you persistently, they want you to get all your friends a family to come together to get the maybe only chance to succeed at life. They rely on you and your family friends, who weren’t informed as well as you will be by the end of this.
Let me talk about this whole business owner subject. Affiliated with Quixtar or SFI or whatever, you will not own any business. A business has to be filed at your local County office, you have to have a name that no one else has to make it yours, and after that you must file with the state to be an official tax collector. Yes you will calculate and collect tax and pay the government annually. This is how the real world works. If you aren’t a registered business you have nothing. Make no mistake about that.
If you own a legitimate business chances are that you get your products from a real wholesaler. Finding a good wholesaler that will do flexible business with a small business owner is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. This is hard especially when you’re narrowing them down by prices. But you deal directly with manufacturers, or distinguished sales representatives, real educated salesmen.
It is also important to know how to market on the internet. Knowledge of search engines and registering and finding a domain along with web hosting that supports your type of developing and it gets deeper. You need a merchant’s account and a business bank account. These are just basic tools you would need. Designing web pages is easy today. If you can use word than you will have good luck using Front Page. Or if you a web mast you might use Macromedia Studio along with your html experience and other high level languages.
You tired of listening to me ramble so I will rap this up ASAP! Ok! Anyone who can prove success to you by showing you pay stubs earned that money dishonestly. He isn’t marketing the products simply. He is really marketing the get rich system. They take your dreams and put them into their hands. You may not want to believe this and if you don’t they have gotten to you. They use subliminal messages in the statements they make. “Take control of your life” “Provide a future for you children and grandchildren” Here is the surprise they are a scam! Plain true and simple but you want to know the better surprise? You dream hasn’t become impossible because Quixtar is a scam.
If you follow the steps I mentioned earlier about the real world you will instantly own your own business. From there you’re ready to get started. It costs some money but it’s legitimate and you are definitely in total control of your destiny. If making money on the next excites you then go for it. There is a fortune to be made, better get started.

Please don’t be fooled by these people. Don’t bother with them. If you are intelligent and ask extremely valid questions they can talk you into whatever. They have been trained to answer and legitimate question with bold face lies. Don’t be fooled they are very good.

If you are scared to walk up to a stranger and say “Hi, What’s your name” and talk about a product, then your right this is not the business for you. Chances are you don’t make more than $12.00 - $15.00 dollars an hour if you’re lucky! Mr. Bailey once stated “there is a sucker born every minute”, and he is right, there are. I was working an 8am – 5pm job making only $13.00 hr. plus commission. Then my brother paid my way to meet him in Los Vegas for a business trip. He talk to me about the business and I now I am going back to school full time; without worrying about where my next pay check is coming from. I have never been to any meetings; I don’t have any tapes, and never spoke to my family or friends about joining. If done correctly you never have to. The way it is set up you just have to get people to believe in you and your product. Humm… doesn’t that sound familiar? Yes this 100% of every product out there that you buy, your just buying it a different way!
Think about this 61% of Americans is over weight and spent over 200 billion dollars to get them to lose weight. Some bought supplements, saw doctors, purchased personal training, diet programs, etc… Funny how a simple law of nature (Energy in must be less than Energy Out to lose weight, and yet 61% of Americans is still FAT! Bottom line, in this type of business you have to have confidence and think out side the box. Heck I am currently working a deal that will bring 7k a month for 14 months. If you think small you will make no money, I compete against Major Chains (SAMS Club) that sell in bulk, Tip for you, offer a service they don’t, front door service with an average re-supply date. An employer has to pay one or two of his/her employees to leave work and pick up supplies for the office. His/her office is losing an average of 8 hours per month in lost time and labor, costing the employer average of $100.00 per month. If the employer had a company that tracked and monitored how many rolls of paper towels, coffee bags, copier paper, pens, yellow sticks, etc… at no additional cost. The employer would not only same time and money they now have a reliable service at now additional cost. * See this is where thinking outside the box gets you big bucks It only takes 20 – 40 minutes to input the data in Excel and it does the rest. (Note: Excel is a data base program) Not only would that employer have a report on their consumption of items, they would also a have a bi-weekly delivery. Office Depot runs their business this way, along with a base store. Humm… but their not a pyramid scheme and I am?
I know your going to comment on the 7k deal, the 7k is what I get. The employer is purchasing 113 items with difference of $62.00 off the original price. For those of you that have trouble with math. (P*B=A) Let P be the Price off the original sales item and B equal the base, A will equal the amount received. $62.00 x 113 = $7,006.00 earn.
Note: for some of you who are still confused the $62.00, it is not the original price. Example: an item will cost $1062.00 the items cost $1,000.00 and the $62.00 is plugged in for your commission. I am sure it does not cost 1k to make this item, who cares, do you really think it cost 35k to build one SUV or 3k for a plasma TV, and yet millions of Americans buy them annually.
Final Note: No one stated that you must have IBO’s, it is just a suggestion.

How much does it cost to become a IBO? My cousin is in quixtar however I have not been given figures. I am somewhat interested however also sceptical.

To become a Client (Quixtar retail account) it is free.
To become a Member (Quixtar wholesale account) it is approximately 20$
To become an IBO (Quixtar IBO account) it varies, the base amount is approximately 46$ annually (also annual for being a Member).

I still do all of my business with companies. I have an IBO or two that have signed up because they wanted to, I never pitched it to them, never sought to sponsor them into the business. They saw that my debt had gone away (I'm very open about my money situation with those whom I am close with), and that I am working on making enough to leave my day job (I'm approximately 6 months away from getting out of my day job, likely 2 years from retiring).

I'll be 24 at that time. And the majority of my business volume will have been produced by selling good quality products to businesses. I save them money, and I make a buck. Just like EVERY other business out there. I just do my business online.

::shrugs:: but yet again, it's not for everyone. Some just don't have the drive to put in the extra effort outside of their daily routine to build their business volume.

Aaaaand I've been rambling! Back to my video games. Just got Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles ::wonders off::

It depends on where you live and if you’re going to get a business license. Just as James stated “A business has to be filed at your local County office, you have to have a name that no one else has to make it yours, and after that you must file with the state to be an official tax collector. Yes you will calculate and collect tax and pay the government annually. This is how the real world works. “You would receive a 1099 form and file your taxes. Just remember you can have up to 3 years to file a lost. (FYI: for your friends who spent money this year and did not make a profit) Besides by getting your license and having it on your business card, employers out there are more receptive and you have a REAL Business. Think out side the box and work within your OWN system and not within Quixtar. Quixtar can be used as a jumping board to get you items that you current do not have as inventory. Like I stated before you can do the whole getting other people to be under you as IBO's but honestly the real money (for me in the Southern California area) is in women's make up, health & fitness, and cell phone services. I am the first to tell you “IT TAKES WORK!” but heck name me a sport, or job career that came easy.
Sorry I got off topic, if your cousin wants to make you an IBO under him; then make him pay for your fees. Pay hard ball and make him fork over the ducks. That’s what I did, I said “Wow, that sounds great, but if I get this correct, as I make money you make money right? “ (They will reply: yes, yea, etc..) “So if I am going to make you some money, wouldn’t it be fair that you pay the start up fee?” “Like you stated you have been doing great, good, awesome etc..?” LOL and there you go. Remember work the system, use peoples words against them, if they talk about how great or good they or doing in the business, then they should not have a problem paying for your start up fees. That’s how you can tell a successful Quixtar member and those just out to get IBO’s. My brother paid for my start up fees, catalogs, this years renewal fee, and a sample pack for me learn about the products. Of coarse it has paid off for him, I was very aggressive in getting my local License and made money. Well have to get to study hall, later all! Last post for me!!!!!!

It seem like there is a possibility for making money in the beginning but after a while their is saturation and no more people to recruit. The people that get in early win and the people that get in late loose.

Quixtar will try to get members anyway possible.

I even believe that the people posting positive comments on the web about their success with Quixtar are just hoping to sway a gullible person that is contemplating it. It is almost like turning someone into an alcoholic, just so you can drink their beer.

DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!!!!!!
AMWAY = QUIXTAR

See all the pros and cons. First of all, anyone saying “I know of someone” or “My friend” or “I read or heard”, is not concrete evidence one way or another. Some have even blamed President Bush for a company that has been in business through Democratic and Republican Presidents alike. Plus the fact the President of the United States is not the one “allowing” companies like this to exist, people do. I agree with the individuals that say there is no reason to bad mouth this either way, if that is the way you debate, then it's hard to win supporters either way. I work for a major company that earned billions of dollars in profits last year and laid off over 40,000 workers…the senior managers made millions in “bonuses”….all business has one goal in mind…making money. Quixtar/Amway is a business, it's goal is to make money, it is not cut out for everyone….all sales jobs are not cut out for everyone. There are successes and there are failures, look at the business statistics for small businesses. Your input is what makes your money, if you don't like the way someone approaches you, you don't need to do it the same way. I was approached by a friend, was given the materials, and will consider whether I will attempt this part time while working my job. I will let you know one say or another whether it was worth it or not.

Here is the Forbes article http://www.forbes.com/best/2001/0625/040.html

After spending a year in Egpyt serving my country, I came back home to an empty house. My wife is so dumb she left me for a Quixstar guy offering big money.It is funny how she talks about her busines, and has the balls to ask me to support her. She has not made one dime. Take it from me this business will destroy ya to greedy

quixtar is not good. i think it should be stated again that Forbes had nothing but negative remarks to say about this business. for those of you who dont know who forbes is, he is the guy that makes up the list of the richest people in the world, like the forbes 500 and he is the guy thats in charge of the forbes business magazine, etc. i mean you some of you can sit here and talk about all these guys making money and going to retire, when that happens come back on here and say so. dont hold your breath everyone

The thing that shocked me about pyramid schemes is that a man will work his ass off. Several hours everyday trying to reach his furtune. The man above him will encourage him to work harder. The man on top will tell him “just a little harder and you'll reach your goals. All the while he takes the credit for your work. He may give you some compisation in order to keep your head just above water but never letting you get anywhere. What amazes me is that nearly 98% of the US population work in these conditions. Quixtar is the only company where the higher you go the less amount of money you make off of someone. Not to mention the people above you dont take any of the profits from you. Additionally if you take the time to look at the demograph of the people in the buisness they own other buisnesses. Most are small buisness owners not the ” stupid people” wiling to go along. Certainly the type smart enough to know they want to work for themself not someone else. If you had of looked at the buisness model you will notice it is similar to that of major companies such as McDonalds, Domino's, and most other franchises. Most of you on this site that are against Quixtar are so because you dont have the ambition to craw out of the wholes society has dug for you telling you to get a 100,000 college education and make only 20,000 a year. To me that sounds like more of a scam.

Its strange i read the article and it seems that Forbes is a little nuetral on the issue andonly sited one person who had not had success. The article is also slightly out dated. The report of the money made was Quxtar's first year. As of December 31, 2003 the company grossed in one year 1.5 billion dollars.

I was just wondering, since none of you agree with these scams, have any of you started your own business that me and a couple of friends could join to help make you rich. I tried it at a local car factory and they laid me and a bunch of poeple off. so much for a nice and secure job. i went to work everyday and this is the thanks i get.

RE: FORBES
i find it strange that some people are interpreting an article in forbes magazine as being negative yet i have a person in my living room that has been in forbes 500 that has been doing the quixtar business. to show you how opinions vary, forbes magazine thinks a CEO like Bill Ford Jr. is a brilliant business man, but i worked for him, he was at the top of my pyramid and i think he is a moron for the way he runs his business, so opinions vary.

2 MONTH MILLIONAIRE
I am not happy. I was told by someone in an expensive suit that i could make a million dollars in a couple of months with zero to little work involved not to mention a minimum investment. the only thing that happened is that i put on 30 pounds sitting around waiting for this to happen. stupid business idea, it made me fat.

Has anyone gone to the visitor log in at quixtar.com and gotten a “certificate not valid” warning? I personally can't stand the quixtar website and not because of the aforementioned security warning. The entire interface is crap, a horrid abuse of javascript. I don't care if I save buying through the site, it still seems like an unpleasant experience.

David Duke is a malignant narcissist.

He invents and then projects a false, fictitious, self for the world to fear, or to admire. He maintains a tenuous grasp on reality to start with and the trappings of power further exacerbate this. Real life authority and David Duke’s predilection to surround him with obsequious sycophants support David Duke’s grandiose self-delusions and fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience.
David Duke's personality is so precariously balanced that he cannot tolerate even a hint of criticism and disagreement. Most narcissists are paranoid and suffer from ideas of reference (the delusion that they are being mocked or discussed when they are not). Thus, narcissists often regard themselves as “victims of persecution”.
Duke fosters and encourages a personality cult with all the hallmarks of an institutional religion: priesthood, rites, rituals, temples, worship, catechism, and mythology. The leader is this religion's ascetic saint. He monastically denies himself earthly pleasures (or so he claims) in order to be able to dedicate himself fully to his calling.
Duke is a monstrously inverted Jesus, sacrificing his life and denying himself so that his people - or humanity at large - should benefit. By surpassing and suppressing his humanity, Duke became a distorted version of Nietzsche's “superman”.
But being a-human or super-human also means being a-sexual and a-moral.
In this restricted sense, narcissistic leaders are post-modernist and moral relativists. They project to the masses an androgynous figure and enhance it by engendering the adoration of nudity and all things “natural” - or by strongly repressing these feelings. But what they refer to, as “nature” is not natural at all.
Duke invariably proffers an aesthetic of decadence and evil carefully orchestrated and artificial - though it is not perceived this way by him or by his followers. Narcissistic leadership is about reproduced copies, not about originals. It is about the manipulation of symbols - not about veritable atavism or true conservatism.
In short: narcissistic leadership is about theatre, not about life. To enjoy the spectacle (and be subsumed by it), the leader demands the suspension of judgment, depersonalization, and de-realization. Catharsis is tantamount, in this narcissistic dramaturgy, to self-annulment.
Narcissism is nihilistic not only operationally, or ideologically. Its very language and narratives are nihilistic. Narcissism is conspicuous nihilism - and the cult's leader serves as a role model, annihilating the Man, only to re-appear as a pre-ordained and irresistible force of nature.
Narcissistic leadership often poses as a rebellion against the “old ways” - against the hegemonic culture, the upper classes, the established religions, the superpowers, the corrupt order. Narcissistic movements are puerile, a reaction to narcissistic injuries inflicted upon David Duke like (and rather psychopathic) toddler nation-state, or group, or upon the leader.
Minorities or “others” - often arbitrarily selected - constitute a perfect, easily identifiable, embodiment of all that is “wrong”. They are accused of being old, they are eerily disembodied, they are cosmopolitan, they are part of the establishment, they are “decadent”, they are hated on religious and socio-economic grounds, or because of their race, sexual orientation, origin … They are different, they are narcissistic (feel and act as morally superior), they are everywhere, they are defenseless, they are credulous, they are adaptable (and thus can be co-opted to collaborate in their own destruction). They are the perfect hate figure. Narcissists thrive on hatred and pathological envy.
This is precisely the source of the fascination with Hitler, diagnosed by Erich Fromm - together with Stalin - as a malignant narcissist. He was an inverted human. His unconscious was his conscious. He acted out our most repressed drives, fantasies, and wishes. He provides us with a glimpse of the horrors that lie beneath the veneer, the barbarians at our personal gates, and what it was like before we invented civilization. Hitler forced us all through a time warp and many did not emerge. He was not the devil. He was one of us. He was what Arendt aptly called the banality of evil. Just an ordinary, mentally disturbed, failure, a member of a mentally disturbed and failing nation, who lived through disturbed and failing times. He was the perfect mirror, a channel, a voice, and the very depth of our souls.
Duke prefers the sparkle and glamour of well-orchestrated illusions to the tedium and method of real accomplishments. His reign is all smoke and mirrors, devoid of substances, consisting of mere appearances and mass delusions. In the aftermath of his regime - Duke having died, been deposed, or voted out of office - it all unravels. The tireless and constant prestidigitation ceases and the entire edifice crumbles. What looked like an economic miracle turns out to have been a fraud-laced bubble. Loosely held empires disintegrate. Laboriously assembled business conglomerates go to pieces. “Earth shattering” and “revolutionary” scientific discoveries and theories are discredited. Social experiments end in mayhem.
It is important to understand that the use of violence must be ego-syntonic. It must accord with the self-image of David Duke. It must abet and sustain his grandiose fantasies and feed his sense of entitlement. It must conform David Duke like narrative. Thus, David Duke who regards himself as the benefactor of the poor, a member of the common folk, the representative of the disenfranchised, the champion of the dispossessed against the corrupt elite - is highly unlikely to use violence at first. The pacific mask crumbles when David Duke has become convinced that the very people he purported to speak for, his constituency, his grassroots fans, and the prime sources of his narcissistic supply - have turned against him. At first, in a desperate effort to maintain the fiction underlying his chaotic personality, David Duke strives to explain away the sudden reversal of sentiment. “The people are being duped by (the media, big industry, the military, the elite, etc.)”, “they don't really know what they are doing”, “following a rude awakening, they will revert to form”, etc. When these flimsy attempts to patch a tattered personal mythology fail, David Duke becomes injured. Narcissistic injury inevitably leads to narcissistic rage and to a terrifying display of unbridled aggression. The pent-up frustration and hurt translate into devaluation. That which was previously idealized - is now discarded with contempt and hatred. This primitive defense mechanism is called “splitting”. To David Duke, things and people are either entirely bad (evil) or entirely good. He projects onto others his own shortcomings and negative emotions, thus becoming a totally good object. Duke is likely to justify the butchering of his own people by claiming that they intended to kill him, undo the revolution, devastate the economy, or the country, etc. The “small people”, the “rank and file”, and the “loyal soldiers” of David Duke - his flock, his nation, and his employees - they pay the price. The disillusionment and disenchantment are agonizing. The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated - is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of David Duke. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder.

It's really sad that you folks can sit in your trailer parks and think of every nasty comment/remaark to say about quixtar. Notice you can't pay your monthly internet, cell phone bills. Don't tell me what tobby from New York or Jim from canada has to say about this business. Tell me what Forbes, interactive 500, USA Today and other publishing companys who spend millions on research. It's sad that some of you can't see the big picture. I hope you take a closer look at this opportunity and start building a rewarding business for yourself and family…

Wow. The level of ignorance so blatantly displayed on line is amazing. Quixtar is not evil, and it isn't a scam. It's not a pyramid. It's a vehicle. It's a business model that works, and has been working since 1959, yes, as Amway, The American Way. I know that businesses can be set up individually as seperate entities, and therefore have no connection, but these two come from the same families with the same money and are located across the street from each other. I'm not going to elaborate on Quixtar. It is a viable business that produces results and profits for a lot of people, while at the same time taking the accounting and logistics problems out of the hands of the IBO. To their benefit (the IBO's). The business model is the wave of the future in commerce and distribution, which I might add is the same business responsible for making Mr. Waltons family richer than anybody (combined). Wal-mart led the way into the 21st century as the way people buy their goods. The internet is only going to get stronger at take a larger share of Wal-marts market, and the partner stores associated with Quixtar see this. They wouldn't risk their reputation on a scam! Disney, Craftsman, Orvis, KB Toy's and Motherhood Maternity are just a few companies that see the culture shifting in how they purchase goods, and are involved as well. I could state fact after fact that supports Quixtar and with proper research you would find them to be true. The real story that is underlying all of the negative comments is the Teams and Systems that people employ to build a business. All of the tapes are optional as are the seminars. You are independant and can make up your own mind. People make money on the tapes and lie about it to the new guy. People can make alot of money in a short amount of time, they will be working real hard, but its proven to work! So what if the people are positive and have a dream? Read a book about your favorite star or athlete or business owner. They all had problems and struggles, they all were told that they couldn't do it, or their idea won't work, but to them the dream was bigger than their facts or friends criticism. You can do anything you put your mind to. You can acheive anything your heart desires with a dream, but more importantly, with persistent action. That's what seperates they tryers from the people who succeed. Persistent action. The system is there to educate people on how to be a better person in all aspects of life, and how to grow and be disaplined. Most of us will never find what it is we want in life because we can't turn off the TV, or stay away from friends that are in the same boat we are, and want us to wallow with them in mediocraty. I'm sorry that some people have been mislead by others who might not have their facts straight or are covering up some truths, shame on them! Why Quixtar looks good and appeals to so many is the fact that, it works, it has a small start up cost, and it pays those who perform. No one got rich without working very hard in the beginning-there's no free lunch. The advantage to this business, of course, is that you continue to make an income on the “distribution pipelines” that took the work to establish. Of course you have to stick with it longer than a week.

My Quixstar Story…it is entertaining, so read it

How to begin….Well, my girlfriend and I went to Barnes & Noble to do a little studying for upcoming exams, and of course I got distracted and went to look for weight lifting books. While trying to decide between a book with a steroid freak on the cover and another book with a steroid freak on the cover, a goofy looking/everyone’s best friend looking guy approached me. He asks me how I liked my New Balance shoes, and I told him I liked them because they looked good with jeans (all the while thinking this guy is gay or really gay). He then proceeded to ask me a lot of questions about my background. I told him I was about to graduate with a 4 year degree and I was a D 1 college athlete. Oh boy did his eyes light up. He gave me a card and got my number, and told me how he MIGHT (it would be tough but he would pull some strings because he was so influential) be able to get me into a closed meeting with some BUSINESS ASSOCIATES. I was counting my good graces, and now that I look back I want to kick myself (hard) for being so naïve (a random job offer from a smarmy guy in book a store). I go back to my girlfriend (an accounting grad student visiting from UT Knoxville for our once-a-month get together) and tell her about my encounter with Todd. She laughed at his business card, and said “Look at his silly card”. I laughed; it did look like a piece of sh_t.

Well my new best friend called and said that the strings were pulled and he barely got me into the meeting. I felt like I won the lottery, I couldn’t believe my luck…that lasted until I arrived at the meeting. The meeting was held at 9:00 pm at a small bank conference center (classssssy), and as soon as I walked in I noticed a bunch of young adults wearing one or a combination of mismatched suits, big white tennis shoes, and oversized clothes (probably came from mom or dad). I couldn’t help but think I was in the midst of high school dropouts and losers (the majority but not all). That said, I no longer felt special. Needless to say I was immediately on guard. After a minute, Todd comes ambling up with a smile that never seems to leave his face. He then starts to introduce me to twenty or so of his BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, watches me with a smile as I make small talk, and then puts me in a seat right up in front for the presentation. I look around at all the nervous faces, and then I notice a lot of empty chairs. That smiling fool said he pulled some strings to get me in there…so, why were half the seats empty? As a 23 year old, pimple face prodigy (according to Todd) started the presentation I noticed that he kept drinking an energy drink called XS during every one of his pauses (I get the hint, XS tastes good…stop shamelessly promoting that super caffeine drink, oh yeah it has B6 and B12…whatever). Of course, the entire presentation was centered around all the money you could make (the only price is your soul). I was so thankful when the brainwashing session was over and was ready to get out of there. There was no easy way out, all Todds “friends” wanted to talk to me after the meeting. Looking back it seemed like I was their golden boy, and they laid the pressure on me. I was educated, young, and good looking (apparently what they were looking for). I wanted to get away from them, but I stupidly agreed to come to the second meeting. They gave me a bunch of tapes, cds, and a booklet with cheesy pictures of sports cars and tropical sunsets all over it to take home. The very small print located throughout the booklet gave the actual percentage of people that make projected profits (very, very, very, very few).

The next weekend my girlfriend came into town and I prompted her to go to the meeting with me (I told her about how superficial everyone was). I wanted her to see if she felt the evil and shallowness I felt at my initial meeting. They took the second meeting to a whole new level. Again I was mister popular when I got to the meeting and this time I had a smart and pretty girl with me (more bait). After learning that my girlfriend was in grad school for accounting they all made the comment that there were doctors, lawyers, and accountants selling their junk (they made it clear that the job was not reserved for dummies). It was so obnoxious. The presentation for this week was solely for people that reached diamond to tell how great it is to have money. We sat through 15 people telling us how wonderful it is to throw food away after eating in a nice restaurant (instead of taking it home in a box…not a lie), how they could now go to nice restaurants and order expensive deserts (this came from a fat lady…I laughed and people looked at me), and how they no longer had to have an honest jobs. The worst is yet to come…the slide show of the diamond’s Hawaii trip. 30 minutes of jack-asses smiling with constant thumbs up, drinking out of coconuts, and playing golf (there was also annoying music in the background). Finally time to go…this time I was kind of rude, and didn’t stay around for small talk. My girlfriend, who is always polite, apologized to one of the diamond’s wives and said we were hungry and were going to IHOP for some good food. The woman’s actual response was, “Haha, you may get good food, but you probably won’t like who you are sitting next to.” I responded with a yeah we are leaving. I apologized profusely to my girlfriend for making her sit through that. She eventually forgave me.

There is no doubt that there is money to be made a Quixstar, but I’ll be damned before I ever turn into one of those people at the meetings I attended. Go ahead defend it, but you know what you are. All the diamonds I met were either inherently smart or college educated. The majority of the people that join Quixstar fail. The dumb are used for profit.

Quixstar is a piece of crap with chocolate icing on it. You have to dig through the sweet stuff to find out what it is really made of.

…”In the United States, the Federal Trade Commission requires Amway to label its products with the message that 54% of Amway recruits make nothing and the rest earn on average $65 a month. No such labels are required in other countries, but the facts are clear. Most people who get involved in Amway will not make money…”

http://skepdic.com/amway.html

Most people that work in any business don't make money. 95% of the population controls only 5% of the money in the U.S. More people went bankrupt last year than graduated from college. Not every body that starts a Quixtar business has the goal of becomming rich. There are thousands of people that have made an extra $2,000 a month to help pay off debt, or buy a new house. We all do the things that fit us in order to make life more of what we want. Quixtar will be a huge business in the future. It already is the number 4 internet sight in the world for revenue, and voted the number 7 easiest sight to navigate. I'm sorry “jimmy johnson” had an experience like he said. I have been approached at the bookstore on more than one occasion and I agree that it is a turn off. It doesn't make the rest of the group look good when you are at a meeting under false pretenses. There are other teams out there in the world that are building big businesses faster than BWW. They do it by being up-front with people and showing them that with the right effort any one can do this type of business. They also show what it takes on a day to day basis to make your team grow. Not every one will see this business as the answer to their dreams. If we all did the same thing, we wouldn't have other businesses to buy services from, or people to run those businesses. The value is there. If you need to do something that can predict results and give you more time long term than anything else, then this is for you. You'll spend thousands more at college, and when you're done you get no promises that you'll even succeed. 80% of college grads aren't even doing what they went to school to do. 90% of those who are, aren't using more than 10% of the knowledge they paid for and spent 4 plus years getting. They should print those stat's for everyone who enters college. Give me 2 years and 10 hours a week and I'll show you how you can make a million and you'll do it. Dream big, because if you don't know where you are going, then you've alredy arrived. Have patience when it comes to success, because every one else has patience when it comes to failing. We're all waiting for the next best thing, and laughing at it when it's shown to us.

Ugh. I'm about ready to turn off comments on this post. I think the Quixtar supporters have made my point.

Appears that you opened a can of worms back in August of 2002…pyramids have risen and collapsed since then! :)

Obviously, most people here are not do it your selfers! They are followers and just do not have want it takes to be a business owner and I guess that is why they work for someone else. I've owned several businesses and not came easy without hard work and a lot of effort! Every business needs customers and cannot survive without them. I'm successful in this business because I help others be successful in theirs! If you are not a hard worker and self motivated, you will not last in any business! Everything in life takes hard work and dedication. I see most people in here are negative and have a lot of resistence. They obviously don't have self confidence or self motivation! Their only answer and solution is to stay in the same old rut where they are at or in! The fact of the matter is, if you want to be successful in life, start being around people who are successful! If you want to reach your goals and dreams start hanging around others who have reached their goals and dreams! If you want to hang around people who are not happy, who are not successful then hang around people who are just never happy and who don't have any dreams!

Most of these people on this forumn are clearly un happy people and who just cannot stand for others to reach out and try to grab on to their dream and goals whatever they may be!

This forumn is a total waist of my time and I've been successful in every business I've started. Nope I'm not a Bill Gates or a Henry Ford. But I've reached many of my goals and dreams and still chasing them

good luck with yours

I've read a fair amount of these comments and most are negative. But I'm here to say this and this only.

I know successful people who are in Quixtar, Primerica, ACN, and other quote unquote pyramid schemes. Some make money and some don't… Effort tends to produce results sitting on your a** doing squat yeild squat. Simple

Pyramid schemes are ILLEGAL yet most of these companies are registered with govermental agencies in a positive light and have been around longer than a lot of these commenters are in age.
HMMMmmm!

A lot of these companies have the backing of companies we are familiar with, and a lot of these companies have been recognized world wide for therre achievements.

This leads me to believe that a lot of the commenters on these so called boards, are lazy, and perfer working for the bottom of the pyramid their company provides. Rather than become successfull creating success for others…

If you choose hard work for yorself not others and will follow strong mentorship then feel free to email me If you choose to condemn me my email address is here just the same. I'm still successful. And I create success.

REMEMBER MOST PEOPLE LAUGH AND SAY NO … BUT WE HAVE LIGHTS IN OUR HOME BECAUSE THOMAS EDISON DID NOT QUIT WHEN HE FAILED OR WHEN PEOPLE CALLED HIM CRAZY. WE HAVE PHONES TODAY FOR THE SAME REASON WITH ALEXANDER G. BELL.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE NOT WEATHLY READ THESE COMMENTS AND SEE WHY……
DARE TO BE DIFFERENT…

IBO's do not work for quixtar or for thier upline. They work for themselves. And if someone has ever mentioned the business to you, they are just sharing this different opportunity with you. There is NO “recruiting”. This business is not for everyone, just like not everyone can be a teacher or a politician. Politics is the most corrupt system of them all. They give themselves $100,000 raises at the tax payers expense. The people who talked to most of you about it made a mistake, and they are probably happy that they don't have to work with you. Those who are successful in this business laugh at comments made on websites like this. They are not still thinking of those of you who dropped out or didn's sign up. They are living well and are have a happy life speding the majority of their time with their children.

If you're so smart, why can't you spell their? And don't you know that someone is one word?

It's the mid-sentence tense change that was really bugging me.

Quixtar & BWW Rock my World! I love it! I am glad I buy CD's, books, and attend awsome functions. I am also glad my upline will spend a day driving 14 hours in his car, paying for the gas out of his pocket, so that I don't have to pay it out of mine…which costs more than my education materials. Maybe some of you weren't lucky to have a great upline like me. I love being a senior in college and know that when I graduate in 6 weeks that I am not getting a JOB (journey of the broke) No joke! The business is not for everyone and that's okay…and I respect that. I don't put others down for not doing this, and feel I should be respected and not be put down for doing it! God Bess

When I was a senior in college, I knew everything. I seem to have forgotten it all now though. :)

I didn't say I knew everything :) I just know that for me, in May, I don't need a job, because my income with this business is higher than what I would make using my degree. I hope I don't remember everything they tried to teach me in college too.
Have a great Day!

Why you getting a degree?

I am getting a degree because, I started working for it 4 years ago, I've been doing this business 7 moths, while finishing my senior year. I just started the buisness to get a little extra income while in school and it grew into something great, more than I ever thought it would .

Here's a point guys!

For all those who are crying foul about that this is a pyramid scheme.

In the company you work for, can you earn more salary than the CEO? Thats the biggest pyramid you get into for life!

We guys have done a job/conventional business and are equipped and qualified to comment on what jobs provide to an individual with big dreams.
But the people who have not done a business powered by BWW, are not qualified to comment on the business.
Just as everybody has an armpit, they have an opinion about everything.

The people who work the business like as they work their butt off, always make it in the business.

The rejecters of the business keep working for years complaining Monday morning and waiting for weekends. The rejectees who work the business achieve financial freedom!

If you dont have a dream, other than going to a job, you are not even qualified to analyse and comment on anything, let alone BWW or Quixtar.

Well… I just attended some kind of presentational Quixstar meeting today. I was invited by a friend and only went because, well, I'll be perfectly honest, I think he's cute. But getting back on the topic at hand, I find everyone's comments to be extremely interesting yet unable to swing my opinion/thoughts in any one direction.

I am a Mary Kay beauty consultant as well, so once the meeting got started I began to realize that this wasn't some kind of “educational” deal to help business majors. It was all too familiar, not necessarily bad, but the same “motivational” manner. I tried to keep and open mind, yet I am still extremely skeptical. Don't get me wrong, I have not had a bad experience with Mary Kay. It's just that I came to realize that no matter how much I personally love the MK products, not everyone else does. For this reason, I felt that some of the ideas presented were extremely interesting. The fact that they sell more than just a make-up line was enticing, but I would like to find out how much these products cost, as I had many MK customers complain about high prices (of course this is understandable, although I personally fell in love with the products and therefore was willing to pay for a 20 dollar moisturizer as opposed to cheaper products that I was not satisfied with).

But anyways, I digress. I was understandably skeptic, of course, considering I already had first-hand knowledge of some of the personal requirements of these types of business ventures. I was extremely frank with the man and asked him many questions, but he seemed to dodge many of them, wanting me to go into more detail with one of the other “new” Quixstar fo