I have been approached to join the Quixtar pyramid scheme again. Their explanation of how it works just doesn’t make sense.
Beware of people who want to talk about business opportunities and have a bww.com e-mail address on their business cards.
I have been approached to join the Quixtar pyramid scheme again. Their explanation of how it works just doesn’t make sense.
Beware of people who want to talk about business opportunities and have a bww.com e-mail address on their business cards.
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I love Quixtar.com! Even though I’m not doing it my friends are and they make good money. One of them is going to retire soon, she’s only 19 years old. That beats my job’s retirement plan any day. Even though I’m deaf I’m still thinking about how Quixtar could work for me.
John
Stupid spammer.
I love QuickScar, I’ve earned so much money in my spare time with the suckers who are… excuse me… distributers who are under me, that I’m buying Canada and moving every one out! All will just 2 weeks under the quxtar plan.
I’m sure the 19 year thinks she’s going to retire… but I have no doubt she doesn’t understand basic math. But then again, maybe she’s found enough suckers to keep her wealthy. Who knows.
I think that there are alot of start ups out there that pretend to be that “we are not like the others” pyramid business out there. I have worked for a direct sales company and they use a pyramid scheme. One guy from class tried to rectruit me for one of those BWW businesses and I recognized his marketing scheme and i knew it was a pyramid when he told me to goto a meeting that one of his senior partners was going to present. Basically, its a way to make money off all the stupid people out there who dont even know what e-commerce is.
Quixtar is Amway, “Millenium Style”! Same owners. I was approached tonight, got all the samples. Still Amway labels on the packaging, when I asked, the reasoning was that BWW has Amway as one of it's major suppliers. Funny, I wonder what happened with the Woods vs Amway case. Maybe it is the reason for the name change.
Yeah, I've been reading up on pyramid schemes and Quixtar. I didn't put the two together until now. hehe. Someone is trying to recuit me. I'm glad there is an internet to quickly read up on this type of stuff.
I just want to say this, If any of you had just one would actually look at how this works, you would wouldn't be thinking it was a pyramid sceme. In a pyramid sceme the people at the top get all of the money. Well, in this it is possible to make more money than the person above you, so I don't want to hear a word about it being a pyramid. And another thing, tell me this, If you are not willing to have people making money for you then why is it that you go to work everyday and make money for your boss? If you ask me, that is a lot more like a Pyramid than this can ever be. But of course, if you ever actually looked at how it works instead of just thinking you know everything there is to know, then you would understand. but I guess you love your 9 to 5 dead-end job. I personally would like to have a life, not a boss.
I have looked at how it works. People have tried to recruit me twice. After seeing how it worked, I wanted to have nothing to do with it. I don't want to be pressured into recruiting my family and friends into the system. I don't want to waste time and money on tapes and seminars to improve my performance. Those are things I don't have to deal with at my “9 to 5 dead-end job.” Luke, if you bother to come back, please answer this: What percentage of the money you make comes from sales to people who aren't in the Quixtar/Amway business?
My husband was recruited by some guy he goes to school with to join Quixtar and because I support him and want him to succeed I'm going along with it. BUT, I hate the people in this “buisness” they can't see beyond the dollar bill signs. They want you to dump your friends and hang out with them. They talk about the damn business ALL the time. They want you to go to meetings, harass your friends and are just a pain in the butt! I hope my husband gets tired of this soon.
Pyramid scheme or not this is not a money maker. I know a handful of people who I thought were fairly intelligent. Boy was I wrong. They attempted to “convert” me to this “business” I did research and resisted. Now they are out money and never made a dime. But they bought a case of toothpaste for a hell of a price. So they thought. If anyone pays attention to prices they can figure out there is no benefit. Somone is making money however, the top 1/10th of 1%. I wish I was that person who capitalized on all the idiots out there!
My friends are in quixstar, they have been for months. They keep talking about how they dont want a job because they are going to make so much money with quixstar. They say that they own work and work doesnt own them. HA the funny part is they havnt made a dime in quixstar and they are still borrowing money from their parents because they have to spend so much money going to stupid meetings, buying books and all kinda of bull crap. They spend hours and hours upon hours a week getting ppl to be an IBO. Its all a wayste of their time if you ask me because they are suppost to be makeing boo koo's of money and are broke all the time. Well email me if u wana. Peace
Well, I really wish that I was at the top… but that spot is reserved for the kings (the VERY few) and built on idiots that are willing to buy their own products. I bought into the Quixway crud and feel kind of burned by the whole mess. Good thing I only lost 130 bucks… I would have hated to lose the respect of my family and friends as well. I will call it a learning lesson. I am ashamed that I wanted to be a part of this materialistic, mind-erasing capitalist cult. I will just stay in college and become one of those ” corporate slaves”. That way, I won't be a slave to a dream that will never become a reality. By the way Luke, do you talk about anything else besides the “business” anymore? I know my (poor, dreaming) friends do not. How much of a life does this leave to be lived? If anyone is out there thinking about this “business”, think about this: How willing are you to burn your money, your individuality, your time, and the respect of your friends? Just think about it, that's all. I am glad I did before I lost it all. My friends are still coming up to me and telling me that I should put this into effect. Are they convincing me… or themselves?
Quixtar sucks. The scheme may be well made, but the people and their thought pattern are abominable. Most of the people are ass-hole. I agree some are good, but percentage is very few. They have no basic concept of life's values. They are stupid and shameless.
All u people should be ashamed of yourselves. you have a brain for a reason so why dont you use it for something other then scamming people. I have a old family friend trying to recruit me into this “business”, and I'm losing more and more respect for him. (not like I had any respect for him in the beginning) For anyone thinking about joining Quixstar DON'T!!!!!
I thought I read in the beginning that comments were to be kept at a civil level?? Name calling is not nice.. I have read all the comments and some people clearly made very good points. However, I dont think some should confuse Amway with Quixtar, although similar, not the same. Probably due to all the lawsuits amway experienced, the company designed it to be more legitimate, I guess. I have browsed & shooped through many of the stores associated with Quixtar and they are legit. I didn't shop Amway! my choice- they are not a major supplier. Anyway, If people want to choose Quixtar as their form of employ- leave them alone – so much negativity- its no different then any other sales job out there. ANd re: pyramids, lets look at chains of commands in reg employs…. oh did I say Chain…lol my bad.
I went to a meeting last night with my nephew, it sounded like amway, felt like amway, but no one ever mentioned amway. I agree, only a few get rich, but the majority of the people involved get used and robbed. What I dislike about the it is that, people become targets with dollar signs attached, sort of like selling your soul for a few dollars.
Only the strong really survive. The weak just crawl in a corner and complian how they never made any kind of impact on there lives as well as anybody elses life. Take it from me keep your job if they let you keep it and stop bashing other peoples business. Thank You
I wonder if all the people who compain about quixtar have ever tried a diet or been on a treadmill, and they never lost wait . the problem is not with the treadmill or the business if you get what you put in. instead of writing crap on the pc you should be out meeting people, or at least get a hobby. anyone reading this in the biz get out, dont put crap into your mind. later, i gotta go diamond. you can too.
More legitimate, Ray? That implies that there's still something wrong.
Gotta go diamond, baby! Matt, honey, I'll see you in a few years. I'm going away for awhile so I can bring us back the bling one can make from selling your every day comodities!
I was coming home from work today to look at this morgage company's owner's computer. 10 Mins into being there i realize i forgot my windows cd (i was installing it) and was about to leave, but just then the owner came in from a meeting and almost BEGGED me to stay and hear a seminar they were having. So i reluctantly agreed to stay for a while, well, long story short i left there 2 hours later thinking that Quixtar and BWW are the greatest thing that ever happened. Well, almost anyway.. i'm never 100% sure on anything until i see hard nock proof. but now after reading these comments i feel like such a fool. I can't believe how i was almost convinced how this scam would really give me $2000-$3000 extra cash a month, plus all the little “benefits” they pay out for how much you make the guy above you richer. Guh.. now i wish i would have just came straight home, and i wonder if these people actually believe the things that they are saying.. -Brian
well, what the heck am i supposed to do. it seems like a pyramid but it is a MLM because it sells good products from the same brand names you buy at wal mart or on the net. i just can't get over how my referring ibo will always be fed off my sucess even if i become diamond and he doesnt do anything. the only people i get ahead are the people below me and they cant get past me. what it that? how can that be legal ? i haven't started yet but am considering, i could be a great salesman, and i would mind risking the couple hundred bucks if it did work. internet business is going to be the future maybe we should get in while things are still raw. i don't know. i got two weeks to decide, can somebody help me?
anybody ever wonder why this company goes after young people all the time. Its cause they want money and they'll willing to overlook the reality of the situation for the chance to do it. This IS a pyramid scheme- no question, and its bullshit that companies like this exsist. Get real for a minute – if you look at this objectively and if you have any knowledge of business or commerce you know this is shit.- companies like this deserve to be shut down. Someone is trying to recruit me right now- i've got a cd and a pamphlet- I think I'll shove them up his ass. That'll teach him. But yeah join up and have fun if want I'mm sure they'll screw ya over nice in the end.
Hey! I believe this works. I got a friend that is a Eagle. And, I'm starting it too. I just went to one of the conventions down in Minneapolis. I rather be making money then sitting down watching tv and being a couch potatoe. Would u wanna work everyday or would u wanna have the time to enjoy life. Getting the stuff that you really wanted. Like a new car, a new house. yes, I realize the people above you are getting richer but then the people below you is making you richer too. and it goes on and on… it never ends.
Yeah, What do you have to lose. Its just like any other job. They can also rip you off too. I want to make 60 grand per year… I want to become a top notch person and go traveling, spend time with ur love ones, and be debt free. Why work my life away when i can only work 2 to 5 years if I really work hard at this. its your choice if you want to join or not. By putting other people down is not right. they choose to join and let them. u got the right to say no ur not interested but if other people want to let them.
was approached by a quixtar/bww person in street. it sounded promising and easy etc. haven't signed up yet, don't plan to b/c i'm skeptical and since i have a lot more info, i feel like exposing them @ one of their conferences…but the people that intro-ed me are very nice and so are all the other newbies…all so nice, asian/minorities, no business sense, easily won over…..i don't want to see these people scammed…what should i do??????? suggestions, info, links????? (justice must be served to these parasitic scumbags)
I know more than 40 people who have retired from their jobs. All can't be “at the top”, I will be out by May, 2004. This thing works!!! If it didn't for you it's cause you are lazy.
I was just introduced the whole quixstar and bww program a couple of nights ago. It would be great to make some money but im really skeptical because they made it sound sooo good. Anyone in here know how you actually make money from this program? And the guy who introduced me to the whole thing was excited by the fact that im 19 years old, and that i have a lot of young friends and cousins….wierd.
Quixstar, I was presented by this “System” from a friend of mine and I was open-minded. However, there are a couple things wrong with the whole ideology of the concept. You change your “Budgeting” habits to purchase a case of Vitamins and Protein bars to reach a “100 point level” in which you would never would of considered purchasing at your local Kroger or Wal-Mart for $20 let a lone the Quixstar price of $120. So for the small percentage that you received as a kickback for buying products off of the Quixstar website in which you wouldn't buy in the first place you are out $250 (which is the amount that they suggest to reach your 100 point bonus. So you are down $250 and lets take on $40 for the “Quixstar training material” so you are down $290. So how long does it take in all of your bonuses and all of your people below you to cover at least $290 a month and what is most important your time!! I also enjoy the whole “Helping” ideology. If Quixstar was all about helping and training there IBO's below them why does Quixstar charge $10 for a cassette tap when it costs them 50 cents for bulk duplication?? Isn't that the same as the record industry, however they don't even have to pay royalties?? However I am glad everyone still is wearing those nice suites, talks about “Joe Blow” and his Ferrari but lets don't forget they all go to church, which makes them more Legit, Right??
This is very entertaining! First of all, no one has to try to prove if Quixtar works or quixtar doesn't work. It doesn't. The individual does. Just like a vehicle. Everyone who participates in Quixtar has their own goals and can set the pace for their own business. It is not about recruiting people or using people to get rich. It's really about giving people an oppurtunity to conrol their lives and future. Most people in the world may never get that chance… but it is a simple American right. I personally know several people ie doctors, lawyers, pastors, accountants, engineers, dentists, military captains, business owners, as well as employees, who have successfully managed their quixtar business and replaced their previous income and then some. Many wives (including my very best friend) have been able to quit their jobs to be with and raise their babies and children because of the work that she and her husband have done to create $3000 a month supplemental income. I respect them for it. And they don't just sell soap. They have a wonderful line of organic vitamins, organic baby food, amazing cleaners and detergents, the best diapers and wipes that I have ever used, makeup comparable to estee lauder or lancome, a world of superior products, not to mention all of the partner stores that you can shop at and get points for. bass pro shop, motherhood maternity, ibm, mci, nextel, babystyle, toy r us, disney, the list goes on and on. Who doesn't want to accumulate points for everything they buy and because the advertising is based on referrals, the companies pay you back for referring people to shop at their store. It seems pretty legit to me. No ridiculous comments are rather accusations are valid. The only Proof is personally knowing people (normal educated people) who have been very successful with quixtar. Ther is no need to feel as though you have a mission to warn people about these made up hidden agendas or schemes. This has got to stop. What in the world has made you people so negative with such violent language. Don't be the person who no one wants to be around.
Leslie, i agree with you that the person or quixtar are the basis for individual performance…………..but the methods the “uplines” use no matter what the “Carrier” be it world wide group or BWW they stink! we are (like it or not) baited in with suggestions of increadible wealth, just to be told the friends who dont come-along are losers and you'll ned to prospect 25 people a day because really only 3 will visit with you and only .4 of them will actually join and be productive….. oh ya-you'll need to buy all these cd's and tapes to be successfull and by the way the manufacture is one of the top 50 people at amway…….oops i mean BWW or WWG. and there is much more to this than above mentioned also. if this stuff were to come out sooner a person may no be so defensive about joining, or being so up-set at being lied to in the begining about the 14-20 years it will really take to quit your “stupid ol' job! good luck with your new found success.
I'm glad to see that all of you out there are so wise to not fall into “pyramid scheme. I mean the fact the you probably work at one makes no difference. This is based online and therefore it is all of a sudden different than the job you already probably have? This has so many opportunities, and the part you may think is a “pyramid” is only a small part of it. Myabe you should all stop thinking you know everything. If you look at how franchises started you would see that this business is one big franchise. If you get past being a know it all and put in some effort just like you do at your current job, then maybe you will see the opportunity that you once I had. I say once because anyone doing this right doesn't push it, because it should be self evident that it is a money maker or the person isn't cut out for this type of opportunity. So I hope all of you are happy you missed out, and I hope whoever told you about it is smart enough to not give you a second chance. Oh and by the way for all of you who think you have such great questions tell me this: When was the last time the owner of the company you worked at helped you to become his equal?
I joined quixtar for $113 dollars canadian. Sold 4 packs of Double XX's and made $111.20 in the first month. I broke even. Next month I'll profit $111.20 because all four of my customers really love the Double XX. That's just one product, and it's only retail so far. Hummmmm I wonder what's next in store for me. I am making money and I'm not spending it on tapes, trips, functions, books. I just decided to make some money first.
Just checking out some opinions after attending a Quixstar meeting for the first time. Still havent't formed a concrete opinion of my own about this. I think I need to see, read, and hear more, both pro and con. The last comment from Canada sounded rational and reasonable.
There are two ways to look at this. Negative or positive. Each will determine their outcome. Okay, true story, this should clear things up ! one very successful american man in quixtar was depositing a very large pv check and the teller was so shocked at the amount that he said “this one deposit is more than I made in 5 years.” Then he asked the man “what do you do?” When the man mentioned Quixtar, the teller said “oh I've been to one of those meetings…” and the man said ” Really, What did you think about it?'' “Well I didn't believe it.” “well I did!”
My Uncle does Quixtar. He is making a lot of money. He's acutally working with someone in a completely separate 'up-line' that is helping him achieve the amount of wealth that he desires to be able to do what he wishes. He's a Senior Mechanical Engineer at a very respected firm (I'll not note it but can do so if emailed and asked).
Within the next year, he should be making $250k, and he already makes a rather comfortable sum.
And for general information, I start this upcoming Friday (tomorrow). And I never bought any tapes, they were GIVEN to me.
Scott, the story you are talking about is a personal anecdote of Gregory Duncan. And it wasn't a bank teller, it was a banker. The kind with their own office and desk. A fair difference.
According to my Uncle, with my work ethic, within 6 months I'll be able to leave my current employ. I don't intend on doing Quixtar forever. I'm doing it so I can have a steady income that will allow me to attend college full-time. Then I'll leave and start my own business after college.
Since I have my own flesh and blood doing Quixtar, and VERY successfully, I see no reason why I couldn't either.
I'm sorry guys… but Quixtar IS Amway, EXACT SAME company, place, owners. Quixtar = Amway Online
The most infamous pyramid scheme company, has enough money to stay in business regardless of their business practices, and go online.
HERE IS IRREFUTIBLE PROOF!! read it for yourself
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/xamway/ebiz.html
please don't make a mistake uninformed, if you are the kind of person that has to make mistakes on your own, knock yourself out, just remember you were warned
I believe the question will soon change from “Can I make it in Quixtar” to “Would I want to make it in Quixtar”?
Ya….I was recruited like 3 days ago and I'm stunned about it. I believe this is a “pyramid scheme” but the money is dispursed among those who communicate and “share this opportunity”..aka “sell this business” more adequitely. I'm 19 years old and I have had family and friends who have done amway and equinox and the big difference here is that it is legit and people who try to sue them will fail because of the fact that it is possible to make money if you earn it. I just heard about this 5 days ago and am in the process of becoming and IBO. I already have about 4 people lined up to be IBO's and hopefully they show the same motivation and ambition as I do…so we can prosper together. Like Duncan said…he believes in this system and so do I and I can convince people that they can to.
Well, I am VERY disappointed. All the people that trash the biz and scream “PYRAMID”. Pyramids are illegal, and quixstar is a member of the BBB. I think it's sad that people would rather listen to Joe Blow on the internet, rather than a Lawyer, CEO, Doctor, or someone who is making a lot of money in any job. When I first got into quixstar I studied it for a long time. My friends spoke badly about me. So I thought “who would I listen to? A guy working at a dept. store, labourers, someone who does not make much money…or a doctor, dentist, business man/woman who do make money.” I made the right choice and will be retiring in a year or so. It does disturb me watching someone slave away for someone elses dream, rather than work for thier own. But thats the way it is. I hear people complaining about being broke and blaming quixtar. Obviously they have not done it properly. You use the money you create yourself to travel and buy biz material. It's all a tax write off. This is a biz. A lot of people just don't get it, and get confused with MLM and e-commerce. This is a great business, but it's not for everyone. Instead of reading the bathroom wall I mean internet, try reading a business magazine. I hope people make the right choice. Enjoy work.
It is funny that all of the rebuttals that are spoken to defend Amway or Quixstar are just verbiage that is being regurgitated from the tapes and CD that’s is being sold by “Who Else” the business/training side of Amway.
Be honest with yourself.
Nobody can tell you that you will be successful and Amway is that road to success, (AKA Greg Duncan”) you have to tell yourself.
Just be honest with yourself and trust your GUT Feelings. If it doesn't sound right, smell right, and feel right….It is probably not right.
Well, it's been a week or so since I signed up. I've already made my money back and then some (one of my friends bought a computer that saved her 600$, one of my bosses is about to buy one as well)
I've never bought a single tape/cd, and am not pushing tapes or cd's.
The amount you make is directly proportionate to the amount of effort you put into the business.
This “business” may work for some people but someone will get screwed because the only way to make the kind of money these recruiters are telling you about is to recruit a certain amount of IBOs. And you'll tell them the same thing that your recruiter told you. But there aren't enough people in the world to keep this going if each IBO recruited six different people under them. Do the math. And to Drew, about the business magazine: I believe Forbes denounced this scam.
you know what a real scam is? beer commercials….
i approached an IBO 2wks ago and this week i will think about joining. i do have a lot of questions that i feel need to be answered first my question to you guys that have tried amway/bww/quixstar how long have you been doing this? has it been successful for you? and in relation to what other people are saying is it true that if you do not recruit that u will not really make that much money? the thing is that when i met w/an ibo she had me write some list w/names of people i know so i did we ended up w/ like 40 names she said have their phone numbers ready but i'm skeptical about giving these people my family and friends numbers why can't we just sell the products make our money and thats it why is it a pyramid but i'm willing to try it to see for myself
I've reading your posts about how Quixstar is or is not a pyramid and wanted to make sure some things were clear. A pyramid relies on the income of those below you to make money, not the sales. Quixstar does not have to be a pyramid, it depends on how it is treated. The reason it is a pryamid for the most part is how the plan itself is marketed. IBOs are encouraged to spend their own money to get their 100pv every month. That means the majority of sales are comming from IBO's income from other jobs. Usually it is presented as investing in your own business.
Now if IBOs were making the majority of their sales to outside consumers then it is not a pyramid at all, but only about 18% of all Quixstar's income comes from non-distributors (or so last time I checked, could have changed).
You do not need to become affiliated with Bww.com if you think it is like a job. Those who are really stupid and think that when you get in you are going to recieve a pay check like you job even if you do nothing. Those people who make money with a quixtar business are not just setting around and setting hey people in to our pyramind scheme. Most of the successful ones really care about people. It is a business. I have seen it first hand. If you do nothing you get nothing. That is why 20-50 year old people are complaining and a 19 year old girl is about to retire and probably has even graduated from High School. Trying to stop people from joining is not the answer. You need to do what you have to do to get your life straight. I have seen people fail and I have seen people make it all at the same time with Quixtar. Stay away if you believe it is a pyramid it is not for you!
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Quixtar is a great com pany with people who unforutnately show less than acceptable business practices. In network marketing or any business, it should be a win-win relationship for both parties.
The one thing I disagree with Quixtar and the old Amway business plan is that it allows people to make money off tools like tapes and books. The money should be made from the business. Period.
I have been very successful with other networkmarketing companies and am going to join quixtar and build the business correctly: with an emphasis on customer service and treating people well. Remember, noone likes to be sold!
I only have 3 things to say
9 steps = Success! Think broke = Stay broke! WHY = HOW
Figure those three out and you'll be happy!
Love,
Milton
My sister and her husband got me started in Quixtar and I couldn't be happier. they live on one side of the state and I live on the other there is not another IBO for 400 miles. I make about 400 dollars a month PROFIT thats after purchasing things for my own use. It come down to a matter of want to, do you want to be independant or do you want someone controling when and where you work every day of your life.
Lookout for BWW this guy came to my house and promise me an average of $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 a month. After researching I told him this is a pyramid sheme!!!!.
my brother in law and his family have joined quixstar for a little over 2yrs now. all they talk about is the “business” and if your not interested they dont really talk to us that much they rave to his parents who in turn rave to us about how many times they have reached another “goal” when they originally started with this they did try to recruite me and my husband because we had a small child i guess we looked like the kind of people who wanted that extra income and of course i would want to stay home with our child.Needless to say this has caused a large rif in the family between my husband and his brother because he wanted nothing to do with the “business” and after hearing all the time i would have to invest after working my regular forty hour week and time away from my baby neither did i. we need some way for them to understand our side of things but as some of the coments say its like a cult and they tellyou dont have anything to do with people who dont beleive like they do.they also tried to get us to get involved with the church side of the “business”well that just freaked me out making me think CULT! Please let me know if have any ideas?
It depends on how you operate your business. If you want, you could do nothing but sell products to clients and members. When they say it's YOUR business, they mean it. Your supplied with all the exclusive products, and affiliate products, the tools, the mentorship, etc. The very reasons why not everybody starts their own business; these are the things Quixtar has to offer.
When you are on Standing Order Tapes/Books, you pay exactly how much it cost your upline. No profit being made. If someone is charging more than just cost, they should be reported.
Hello, I'm a 21 yr old that's about to join Quixtar myself. And I don't believe it to be a scam. $60 for me to join really isn't that big of a deal that's like buying a new X-box or PS2 game so I'm not crying any tears. I already have 2 other people about to sign up under me. And that's just by explaining to them how Quixtar works and they don't have to pay to join either…memebers are free and there making me money just by signing up. But don't get me wrong I'm not greedy, I want people to also be free from debt and to be able to live there dreams so that means I have to help them achieve that. That's what Quixtar is about, helping others to become wealthy so you to can become wealthy. And if you think about it the internet business is about to boom and alot more people will start buying there items from the internet, instead of going to the store with the kids and wasting all that gas. It's really about conveince
The way I see it…the more effort you put into your business the more you see in return. Just like any normal job you have to work hard to see results. Also, I too have never had to pay for tapes they were given to me and even if I had to buy a couple of tapes, I have a CD burner so I'd just burn them for my new clients/members. I also have been invited to attending meetings but never have gone nor do I feel I need too. Like I said it's all about how much effort you put into Quixtar. So if you think it's a scam then that's ok because everyone has the right to think what they want, but like everyone else says. You shouldn't try to tell people it's a scam because it's there own choice to join or not.
Me again. I'm still in Quixtar. I'm making a fair amount. It's started small and gradually grown. It's been 2 months but I've gotten back what I put in 4 times over (I've not started purchasing things for about my house like the laundry detergent and the sort yet, I start that next week)
I'm currently in the middle of a deal with a local Hotel, car dealership and RF Microwave Manufacturer about different products for each one.
All in all, any one of these will make me about $30,000 a year by their own projected figures. Not a one will become an IBO, so I'd have replaced my entire income under 6 months without bringing in another individual at all.
You don't have to speak to your friends at all if you don't want to. I know they don't want to hear it. They know when I hold meetings and show up when they feel like it. I don't bring it up to them.
You never have to speak to your friends, thus, my personal business, couldn't even remotely be considered a pyramid. My current complete income from Quixtar is from businesses.
Is it possible to be a Christian with a biblical world view – and listen to how this business will bring all that your life needs?
mmmm, no.
From what I've seen, it leans towards cult-ish.
I am currently starting my “New Business” as I write to you. I work about 35 hours a week at my normal job selling cellular service and I make between 1200 and 3500 a month. I work on strictly commission, and only get paid once a month now. I MAKE MY CHECK WITH MY EFFORT!! In anything you do you have to put forth the effort to do well. With Quixtar you decide how much you get back. If you only want to supplement your income then do so. A couple of hours a week for an extra income no matter how small is definitely worth it, and if you want bigger go for it. You really have nothing to lose. You'll hear alot of how they charge you for this and for that, but of course it's gonna take a little. It takes you a little to go to work everyday. Clothes, personal supplies, gas, etc. Why not put the same effort into something that CAN give back much more than your job and takes less effort. Call it a cult all you want, I have seen nothing but people promoting a Godly and moral lifestyle that accepts anyone from any race and any religion. These people don't just want to be rich, they sincerely like helping people not only make a better life financialy, but within their relationships with friends, family, spouses, and in opening their hearts to giving. This is not a get rich fast scheme, it takes work and it pays. “What if it doesn't work?” “What if some of these people are right?” WHAT IF IT DOES WORK!!! WHAT IF THEY AREN'T RIGHT!!!!! If you don't want to put forth an effort you will never do this, or anything else in life for that matter. Lastly, you have faith in your job to pay you, you have faith in your God to take care of you, you have to have faith in anything you do. This is no different, with faith you can do anything you put your mind and spirit into.
Oh, and by the way, I am not a Quixtar IBO yet, but you know what? I want to at least try to do better. If it doesn't do anything for me oh well, at least I will have tried and learned something.
What I don’t get is why don't you QUIXTAR IBOTs open up and tell the people you approach from the beginning who you work for instead of trying to sucker them into meeting you at your home for dinner to show charts and pie graphs for two hours.
Here is my story… I was approached by Quixtar IBOTs who were sitting across from my wife and I on my birthday while enjoying a nice dinner. I was minding my business and said to my wife, “what a nice picture on the wall.” That was his opportunity to commitment about the same picture to start some small talk. But he of course immediately opened up with a series of questions about my background and what I do for a living and I explained I’m a telecom consultant. At the same time I’m saying to myself, “Damn this guy is very freakin noisy” Of course I fired right back with a series of questions as well. During my interrogation he explained he owned an e-commerce Internet based business and to myself I thinking I might be able to help this young business owner with issues like bandwidth and hosting requirements. So he asked if we could exchange numbers. And I thinking to myself, “Wow, this guy must be in need of some help because most business owners wouldn’t give you the time of day.” So I proceeded to ask more about his current use of his bandwidth and hosting requirements and it immediately dawned on me this guy had no clue about what I’m talking about. So I said maybe he’s doing so well he doesn’t have to worry about the day-to-day technical aspect of his business so we exchanged cards any.
A few days went by and he called about getting together over the weekend. I couldn’t and asked him to give me a call next week to see what my schedule looks like. Well during that time I decided to research his so called Internet based business and pulled up the domain name on his email-handle which directed me to Quixtar. Boy was I disappointed in myself for not recognizing this any sooner because I would have told him the first time he called don’t bother calling me because I’m not interested. Well that next week, Mr. IBOT called as agreed. He quickly fired off asking the question what day my wife and I are available to meet with him and his wife at their home to talk about their internet based business. I was frank in telling him I’m not interested in listening to what he has to talk about. Of course he asked why and I told him told him I don’t like the pyramid business model. He immediately went into raving about how much he's made and he's “going to” make and he was going to retire in 6 months from work. Hence: “Going To Make and retire from work in six months!” I asked the question, “Mr. IBOT how much money you’ve made year-to-date in this so called business of yours?” (Bonuses/commissions – expenses = profit) It was strange, he couldn’t tell me. I took it one step further by asking him to show me his monthly bank deposit statements outlining checks written out to him from Quixtar. He refused to want to show me. So I posed another question, “How do you expect me to believe you when you haven’t shown me the hard numbers of your so called business?” He had looked dumb founded and proceed to walk away.
I wasn’t out to make the IBOT look an idiot, rather to get him thinking about his approach and having his facts straight if he’s going to go to someone about what he’s doing so he will be able to answers questions like these to convince people to at least listen. Even if had done all these things, I would not have listened for the mere fact I’m familiar with Amway and no matter what they say, you are still working the employer, Quixtar. “How do you figure?” you may ask! Let’s see! First, Quixtar controls your selling pricing, they control how much you are going to make. Secondly you can’t do as you please with their product, meaning you can’t open up a retail outlet at malls or shopping centers. Neither of which you can negotiate. Last but not least, you are getting only a small percentage of the profit on the products you sell compared to what your employer gets. “Well It’s an internet based business and sell Quixtar products in a online retail environment on my website!” Wrong again, it’s not your website! They are providing you the conduit to use their domain name http://www.bbw.com/yourname, along with their servers and database you neither own which your clients log into and they get to see I hope a pretty picture of you and your spouse or your so called IBO business name.
So IBOTs be a real honest business man/woman about what you are doing before you misinforming your next victim about your so called business and trying to trap them into meeting you so you can show them circles after circles that some how end up forming the shape of a pyramid with you at the top!
The lesson from BWW, Quixtar and other such schemes is that no one wants to hand you a business opportunity unless they stand to benefit. And in all likelihood they stand to benefit far in excess of whatever you may gain. I was approaced by a fellow in a mall, who said he could “tell I had an eye for business.” How he could come to this conclusion having just met me while was shopping at the gap I don't know. Long story short, he asked me to meet he and his partners at a hotel room in Manhattan and I declined because I just did not trust the guy. He refused to tell me anything over the phone about the business he was running and why he wanted to include me. For all I know, he could have wanted to steal my kidneys.
In these tough economic times, its easy to think that money grows on trees and people like the guy I met thrive on this. They thrive on all of our uncertainties, fears and hopes of a better future.
!!!!IMPORTANT!!!!! TO THOSE WHO ARE COTEMPLATING QUIXTAR OR OTHER AFFILIATE PROGRAMS
You are here for one of two reasons. You are here because you are contemplating Quixtar or some other marketing plan, or you are here because you have been trained to get on these message boards and defend Quixtar or others like it. If you are here for the second reason go to the next because you definitely won’t like this.
If you are here for the truth, your in luck and pay attention because it gets good. You are at the point where you are getting ready to hand money or more money (hopefully not) to someone because they believe that their system works. Quixtar will attack your guard on a level you never thought possible. They reach deep into your imagination and they find those dreams everybody has. The Lexus parked outside your 500K home and yourself enjoying that first of many cups of coffee you will enjoy in front of you pc that morning as you see your kids off to school. They play a psychological game with you; they make statements to build your interest.
Quixtar if you haven’t read in the previous postings is Amway. What Amway did was change the architecture of their sales structure. It is different thus legal again. Legal does not mean legitimate. You can thank politicians like George Bush and the Republican Party and all other politicians that allow this to go on. Quixtar will tell you they did a Billion in sales last year. This might be very likely indeed but the truth about Quixtar lies in the question of how. Quixtar generates those statistics with DISHONESTY. They make the majority of their capital off the candidate for becoming IBO. If they can just get (n) amount of people recruited, that in itself makes up most of the yearly earnings. The rest of the money is generated by offering these tapes and products give as samples, business cards that say you are business owner. They so called mentors call you persistently, they want you to get all your friends a family to come together to get the maybe only chance to succeed at life. They rely on you and your family friends, who weren’t informed as well as you will be by the end of this. Let me talk about this whole business owner subject. Affiliated with Quixtar or SFI or whatever, you will not own any business. A business has to be filed at your local County office, you have to have a name that no one else has to make it yours, and after that you must file with the state to be an official tax collector. Yes you will calculate and collect tax and pay the government annually. This is how the real world works. If you aren’t a registered business you have nothing. Make no mistake about that. If you own a legitimate business chances are that you get your products from a real wholesaler. Finding a good wholesaler that will do flexible business with a small business owner is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. This is hard especially when you’re narrowing them down by prices. But you deal directly with manufacturers, or distinguished sales representatives, real educated salesmen. It is also important to know how to market on the internet. Knowledge of search engines and registering and finding a domain along with web hosting that supports your type of developing and it gets deeper. You need a merchant’s account and a business bank account. These are just basic tools you would need. Designing web pages is easy today. If you can use word than you will have good luck using Front Page. Or if you a web mast you might use Macromedia Studio along with your html experience and other high level languages. You tired of listening to me ramble so I will rap this up ASAP! Ok! Anyone who can prove success to you by showing you pay stubs earned that money dishonestly. He isn’t marketing the products simply. He is really marketing the get rich system. They take your dreams and put them into their hands. You may not want to believe this and if you don’t they have gotten to you. They use subliminal messages in the statements they make. “Take control of your life” “Provide a future for you children and grandchildren” Here is the surprise they are a scam! Plain true and simple but you want to know the better surprise? You dream hasn’t become impossible because Quixtar is a scam.
If you follow the steps I mentioned earlier about the real world you will instantly own your own business. From there you’re ready to get started. It costs some money but it’s legitimate and you are definitely in total control of your destiny. If making money on the next excites you then go for it. There is a fortune to be made, better get started.
Please don’t be fooled by these people. Don’t bother with them. If you are intelligent and ask extremely valid questions they can talk you into whatever. They have been trained to answer and legitimate question with bold face lies. Don’t be fooled they are very good.
If you are scared to walk up to a stranger and say “Hi, What’s your name” and talk about a product, then your right this is not the business for you. Chances are you don’t make more than $12.00 – $15.00 dollars an hour if you’re lucky! Mr. Bailey once stated “there is a sucker born every minute”, and he is right, there are. I was working an 8am – 5pm job making only $13.00 hr. plus commission. Then my brother paid my way to meet him in Los Vegas for a business trip. He talk to me about the business and I now I am going back to school full time; without worrying about where my next pay check is coming from. I have never been to any meetings; I don’t have any tapes, and never spoke to my family or friends about joining. If done correctly you never have to. The way it is set up you just have to get people to believe in you and your product. Humm… doesn’t that sound familiar? Yes this 100% of every product out there that you buy, your just buying it a different way! Think about this 61% of Americans is over weight and spent over 200 billion dollars to get them to lose weight. Some bought supplements, saw doctors, purchased personal training, diet programs, etc… Funny how a simple law of nature (Energy in must be less than Energy Out to lose weight, and yet 61% of Americans is still FAT! Bottom line, in this type of business you have to have confidence and think out side the box. Heck I am currently working a deal that will bring 7k a month for 14 months. If you think small you will make no money, I compete against Major Chains (SAMS Club) that sell in bulk, Tip for you, offer a service they don’t, front door service with an average re-supply date. An employer has to pay one or two of his/her employees to leave work and pick up supplies for the office. His/her office is losing an average of 8 hours per month in lost time and labor, costing the employer average of $100.00 per month. If the employer had a company that tracked and monitored how many rolls of paper towels, coffee bags, copier paper, pens, yellow sticks, etc… at no additional cost. The employer would not only same time and money they now have a reliable service at now additional cost. * See this is where thinking outside the box gets you big bucks It only takes 20 – 40 minutes to input the data in Excel and it does the rest. (Note: Excel is a data base program) Not only would that employer have a report on their consumption of items, they would also a have a bi-weekly delivery. Office Depot runs their business this way, along with a base store. Humm… but their not a pyramid scheme and I am?
I know your going to comment on the 7k deal, the 7k is what I get. The employer is purchasing 113 items with difference of $62.00 off the original price. For those of you that have trouble with math. (P*B=A) Let P be the Price off the original sales item and B equal the base, A will equal the amount received. $62.00 x 113 = $7,006.00 earn. Note: for some of you who are still confused the $62.00, it is not the original price. Example: an item will cost $1062.00 the items cost $1,000.00 and the $62.00 is plugged in for your commission. I am sure it does not cost 1k to make this item, who cares, do you really think it cost 35k to build one SUV or 3k for a plasma TV, and yet millions of Americans buy them annually. Final Note: No one stated that you must have IBO’s, it is just a suggestion.
How much does it cost to become a IBO? My cousin is in quixtar however I have not been given figures. I am somewhat interested however also sceptical.
To become a Client (Quixtar retail account) it is free. To become a Member (Quixtar wholesale account) it is approximately 20$ To become an IBO (Quixtar IBO account) it varies, the base amount is approximately 46$ annually (also annual for being a Member).
I still do all of my business with companies. I have an IBO or two that have signed up because they wanted to, I never pitched it to them, never sought to sponsor them into the business. They saw that my debt had gone away (I'm very open about my money situation with those whom I am close with), and that I am working on making enough to leave my day job (I'm approximately 6 months away from getting out of my day job, likely 2 years from retiring).
I'll be 24 at that time. And the majority of my business volume will have been produced by selling good quality products to businesses. I save them money, and I make a buck. Just like EVERY other business out there. I just do my business online.
::shrugs:: but yet again, it's not for everyone. Some just don't have the drive to put in the extra effort outside of their daily routine to build their business volume.
Aaaaand I've been rambling! Back to my video games. Just got Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles ::wonders off::
It depends on where you live and if you’re going to get a business license. Just as James stated “A business has to be filed at your local County office, you have to have a name that no one else has to make it yours, and after that you must file with the state to be an official tax collector. Yes you will calculate and collect tax and pay the government annually. This is how the real world works. “You would receive a 1099 form and file your taxes. Just remember you can have up to 3 years to file a lost. (FYI: for your friends who spent money this year and did not make a profit) Besides by getting your license and having it on your business card, employers out there are more receptive and you have a REAL Business. Think out side the box and work within your OWN system and not within Quixtar. Quixtar can be used as a jumping board to get you items that you current do not have as inventory. Like I stated before you can do the whole getting other people to be under you as IBO's but honestly the real money (for me in the Southern California area) is in women's make up, health & fitness, and cell phone services. I am the first to tell you “IT TAKES WORK!” but heck name me a sport, or job career that came easy. Sorry I got off topic, if your cousin wants to make you an IBO under him; then make him pay for your fees. Pay hard ball and make him fork over the ducks. That’s what I did, I said “Wow, that sounds great, but if I get this correct, as I make money you make money right? “ (They will reply: yes, yea, etc..) “So if I am going to make you some money, wouldn’t it be fair that you pay the start up fee?” “Like you stated you have been doing great, good, awesome etc..?” LOL and there you go. Remember work the system, use peoples words against them, if they talk about how great or good they or doing in the business, then they should not have a problem paying for your start up fees. That’s how you can tell a successful Quixtar member and those just out to get IBO’s. My brother paid for my start up fees, catalogs, this years renewal fee, and a sample pack for me learn about the products. Of coarse it has paid off for him, I was very aggressive in getting my local License and made money. Well have to get to study hall, later all! Last post for me!!!!!!
It seem like there is a possibility for making money in the beginning but after a while their is saturation and no more people to recruit. The people that get in early win and the people that get in late loose.
Quixtar will try to get members anyway possible.
I even believe that the people posting positive comments on the web about their success with Quixtar are just hoping to sway a gullible person that is contemplating it. It is almost like turning someone into an alcoholic, just so you can drink their beer.
DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!!!!!! AMWAY = QUIXTAR
See all the pros and cons. First of all, anyone saying “I know of someone” or “My friend” or “I read or heard”, is not concrete evidence one way or another. Some have even blamed President Bush for a company that has been in business through Democratic and Republican Presidents alike. Plus the fact the President of the United States is not the one “allowing” companies like this to exist, people do. I agree with the individuals that say there is no reason to bad mouth this either way, if that is the way you debate, then it's hard to win supporters either way. I work for a major company that earned billions of dollars in profits last year and laid off over 40,000 workers…the senior managers made millions in “bonuses”….all business has one goal in mind…making money. Quixtar/Amway is a business, it's goal is to make money, it is not cut out for everyone….all sales jobs are not cut out for everyone. There are successes and there are failures, look at the business statistics for small businesses. Your input is what makes your money, if you don't like the way someone approaches you, you don't need to do it the same way. I was approached by a friend, was given the materials, and will consider whether I will attempt this part time while working my job. I will let you know one say or another whether it was worth it or not.
Here is the Forbes article http://www.forbes.com/best/2001/0625/040.html
After spending a year in Egpyt serving my country, I came back home to an empty house. My wife is so dumb she left me for a Quixstar guy offering big money.It is funny how she talks about her busines, and has the balls to ask me to support her. She has not made one dime. Take it from me this business will destroy ya to greedy
quixtar is not good. i think it should be stated again that Forbes had nothing but negative remarks to say about this business. for those of you who dont know who forbes is, he is the guy that makes up the list of the richest people in the world, like the forbes 500 and he is the guy thats in charge of the forbes business magazine, etc. i mean you some of you can sit here and talk about all these guys making money and going to retire, when that happens come back on here and say so. dont hold your breath everyone
The thing that shocked me about pyramid schemes is that a man will work his ass off. Several hours everyday trying to reach his furtune. The man above him will encourage him to work harder. The man on top will tell him “just a little harder and you'll reach your goals. All the while he takes the credit for your work. He may give you some compisation in order to keep your head just above water but never letting you get anywhere. What amazes me is that nearly 98% of the US population work in these conditions. Quixtar is the only company where the higher you go the less amount of money you make off of someone. Not to mention the people above you dont take any of the profits from you. Additionally if you take the time to look at the demograph of the people in the buisness they own other buisnesses. Most are small buisness owners not the ” stupid people” wiling to go along. Certainly the type smart enough to know they want to work for themself not someone else. If you had of looked at the buisness model you will notice it is similar to that of major companies such as McDonalds, Domino's, and most other franchises. Most of you on this site that are against Quixtar are so because you dont have the ambition to craw out of the wholes society has dug for you telling you to get a 100,000 college education and make only 20,000 a year. To me that sounds like more of a scam.
Its strange i read the article and it seems that Forbes is a little nuetral on the issue andonly sited one person who had not had success. The article is also slightly out dated. The report of the money made was Quxtar's first year. As of December 31, 2003 the company grossed in one year 1.5 billion dollars.
I was just wondering, since none of you agree with these scams, have any of you started your own business that me and a couple of friends could join to help make you rich. I tried it at a local car factory and they laid me and a bunch of poeple off. so much for a nice and secure job. i went to work everyday and this is the thanks i get.
RE: FORBES i find it strange that some people are interpreting an article in forbes magazine as being negative yet i have a person in my living room that has been in forbes 500 that has been doing the quixtar business. to show you how opinions vary, forbes magazine thinks a CEO like Bill Ford Jr. is a brilliant business man, but i worked for him, he was at the top of my pyramid and i think he is a moron for the way he runs his business, so opinions vary.
2 MONTH MILLIONAIRE I am not happy. I was told by someone in an expensive suit that i could make a million dollars in a couple of months with zero to little work involved not to mention a minimum investment. the only thing that happened is that i put on 30 pounds sitting around waiting for this to happen. stupid business idea, it made me fat.
Has anyone gone to the visitor log in at quixtar.com and gotten a “certificate not valid” warning? I personally can't stand the quixtar website and not because of the aforementioned security warning. The entire interface is crap, a horrid abuse of javascript. I don't care if I save buying through the site, it still seems like an unpleasant experience.
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The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated – is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of David Duke. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder.
It's really sad that you folks can sit in your trailer parks and think of every nasty comment/remaark to say about quixtar. Notice you can't pay your monthly internet, cell phone bills. Don't tell me what tobby from New York or Jim from canada has to say about this business. Tell me what Forbes, interactive 500, USA Today and other publishing companys who spend millions on research. It's sad that some of you can't see the big picture. I hope you take a closer look at this opportunity and start building a rewarding business for yourself and family…
Wow. The level of ignorance so blatantly displayed on line is amazing. Quixtar is not evil, and it isn't a scam. It's not a pyramid. It's a vehicle. It's a business model that works, and has been working since 1959, yes, as Amway, The American Way. I know that businesses can be set up individually as seperate entities, and therefore have no connection, but these two come from the same families with the same money and are located across the street from each other. I'm not going to elaborate on Quixtar. It is a viable business that produces results and profits for a lot of people, while at the same time taking the accounting and logistics problems out of the hands of the IBO. To their benefit (the IBO's). The business model is the wave of the future in commerce and distribution, which I might add is the same business responsible for making Mr. Waltons family richer than anybody (combined). Wal-mart led the way into the 21st century as the way people buy their goods. The internet is only going to get stronger at take a larger share of Wal-marts market, and the partner stores associated with Quixtar see this. They wouldn't risk their reputation on a scam! Disney, Craftsman, Orvis, KB Toy's and Motherhood Maternity are just a few companies that see the culture shifting in how they purchase goods, and are involved as well. I could state fact after fact that supports Quixtar and with proper research you would find them to be true. The real story that is underlying all of the negative comments is the Teams and Systems that people employ to build a business. All of the tapes are optional as are the seminars. You are independant and can make up your own mind. People make money on the tapes and lie about it to the new guy. People can make alot of money in a short amount of time, they will be working real hard, but its proven to work! So what if the people are positive and have a dream? Read a book about your favorite star or athlete or business owner. They all had problems and struggles, they all were told that they couldn't do it, or their idea won't work, but to them the dream was bigger than their facts or friends criticism. You can do anything you put your mind to. You can acheive anything your heart desires with a dream, but more importantly, with persistent action. That's what seperates they tryers from the people who succeed. Persistent action. The system is there to educate people on how to be a better person in all aspects of life, and how to grow and be disaplined. Most of us will never find what it is we want in life because we can't turn off the TV, or stay away from friends that are in the same boat we are, and want us to wallow with them in mediocraty. I'm sorry that some people have been mislead by others who might not have their facts straight or are covering up some truths, shame on them! Why Quixtar looks good and appeals to so many is the fact that, it works, it has a small start up cost, and it pays those who perform. No one got rich without working very hard in the beginning-there's no free lunch. The advantage to this business, of course, is that you continue to make an income on the “distribution pipelines” that took the work to establish. Of course you have to stick with it longer than a week.
My Quixstar Story…it is entertaining, so read it
How to begin….Well, my girlfriend and I went to Barnes & Noble to do a little studying for upcoming exams, and of course I got distracted and went to look for weight lifting books. While trying to decide between a book with a steroid freak on the cover and another book with a steroid freak on the cover, a goofy looking/everyone’s best friend looking guy approached me. He asks me how I liked my New Balance shoes, and I told him I liked them because they looked good with jeans (all the while thinking this guy is gay or really gay). He then proceeded to ask me a lot of questions about my background. I told him I was about to graduate with a 4 year degree and I was a D 1 college athlete. Oh boy did his eyes light up. He gave me a card and got my number, and told me how he MIGHT (it would be tough but he would pull some strings because he was so influential) be able to get me into a closed meeting with some BUSINESS ASSOCIATES. I was counting my good graces, and now that I look back I want to kick myself (hard) for being so naïve (a random job offer from a smarmy guy in book a store). I go back to my girlfriend (an accounting grad student visiting from UT Knoxville for our once-a-month get together) and tell her about my encounter with Todd. She laughed at his business card, and said “Look at his silly card”. I laughed; it did look like a piece of sh_t.
Well my new best friend called and said that the strings were pulled and he barely got me into the meeting. I felt like I won the lottery, I couldn’t believe my luck…that lasted until I arrived at the meeting. The meeting was held at 9:00 pm at a small bank conference center (classssssy), and as soon as I walked in I noticed a bunch of young adults wearing one or a combination of mismatched suits, big white tennis shoes, and oversized clothes (probably came from mom or dad). I couldn’t help but think I was in the midst of high school dropouts and losers (the majority but not all). That said, I no longer felt special. Needless to say I was immediately on guard. After a minute, Todd comes ambling up with a smile that never seems to leave his face. He then starts to introduce me to twenty or so of his BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, watches me with a smile as I make small talk, and then puts me in a seat right up in front for the presentation. I look around at all the nervous faces, and then I notice a lot of empty chairs. That smiling fool said he pulled some strings to get me in there…so, why were half the seats empty? As a 23 year old, pimple face prodigy (according to Todd) started the presentation I noticed that he kept drinking an energy drink called XS during every one of his pauses (I get the hint, XS tastes good…stop shamelessly promoting that super caffeine drink, oh yeah it has B6 and B12…whatever). Of course, the entire presentation was centered around all the money you could make (the only price is your soul). I was so thankful when the brainwashing session was over and was ready to get out of there. There was no easy way out, all Todds “friends” wanted to talk to me after the meeting. Looking back it seemed like I was their golden boy, and they laid the pressure on me. I was educated, young, and good looking (apparently what they were looking for). I wanted to get away from them, but I stupidly agreed to come to the second meeting. They gave me a bunch of tapes, cds, and a booklet with cheesy pictures of sports cars and tropical sunsets all over it to take home. The very small print located throughout the booklet gave the actual percentage of people that make projected profits (very, very, very, very few).
The next weekend my girlfriend came into town and I prompted her to go to the meeting with me (I told her about how superficial everyone was). I wanted her to see if she felt the evil and shallowness I felt at my initial meeting. They took the second meeting to a whole new level. Again I was mister popular when I got to the meeting and this time I had a smart and pretty girl with me (more bait). After learning that my girlfriend was in grad school for accounting they all made the comment that there were doctors, lawyers, and accountants selling their junk (they made it clear that the job was not reserved for dummies). It was so obnoxious. The presentation for this week was solely for people that reached diamond to tell how great it is to have money. We sat through 15 people telling us how wonderful it is to throw food away after eating in a nice restaurant (instead of taking it home in a box…not a lie), how they could now go to nice restaurants and order expensive deserts (this came from a fat lady…I laughed and people looked at me), and how they no longer had to have an honest jobs. The worst is yet to come…the slide show of the diamond’s Hawaii trip. 30 minutes of jack-asses smiling with constant thumbs up, drinking out of coconuts, and playing golf (there was also annoying music in the background). Finally time to go…this time I was kind of rude, and didn’t stay around for small talk. My girlfriend, who is always polite, apologized to one of the diamond’s wives and said we were hungry and were going to IHOP for some good food. The woman’s actual response was, “Haha, you may get good food, but you probably won’t like who you are sitting next to.” I responded with a yeah we are leaving. I apologized profusely to my girlfriend for making her sit through that. She eventually forgave me.
There is no doubt that there is money to be made a Quixstar, but I’ll be damned before I ever turn into one of those people at the meetings I attended. Go ahead defend it, but you know what you are. All the diamonds I met were either inherently smart or college educated. The majority of the people that join Quixstar fail. The dumb are used for profit.
Quixstar is a piece of crap with chocolate icing on it. You have to dig through the sweet stuff to find out what it is really made of.
…”In the United States, the Federal Trade Commission requires Amway to label its products with the message that 54% of Amway recruits make nothing and the rest earn on average $65 a month. No such labels are required in other countries, but the facts are clear. Most people who get involved in Amway will not make money…”
http://skepdic.com/amway.html
Most people that work in any business don't make money. 95% of the population controls only 5% of the money in the U.S. More people went bankrupt last year than graduated from college. Not every body that starts a Quixtar business has the goal of becomming rich. There are thousands of people that have made an extra $2,000 a month to help pay off debt, or buy a new house. We all do the things that fit us in order to make life more of what we want. Quixtar will be a huge business in the future. It already is the number 4 internet sight in the world for revenue, and voted the number 7 easiest sight to navigate. I'm sorry “jimmy johnson” had an experience like he said. I have been approached at the bookstore on more than one occasion and I agree that it is a turn off. It doesn't make the rest of the group look good when you are at a meeting under false pretenses. There are other teams out there in the world that are building big businesses faster than BWW. They do it by being up-front with people and showing them that with the right effort any one can do this type of business. They also show what it takes on a day to day basis to make your team grow. Not every one will see this business as the answer to their dreams. If we all did the same thing, we wouldn't have other businesses to buy services from, or people to run those businesses. The value is there. If you need to do something that can predict results and give you more time long term than anything else, then this is for you. You'll spend thousands more at college, and when you're done you get no promises that you'll even succeed. 80% of college grads aren't even doing what they went to school to do. 90% of those who are, aren't using more than 10% of the knowledge they paid for and spent 4 plus years getting. They should print those stat's for everyone who enters college. Give me 2 years and 10 hours a week and I'll show you how you can make a million and you'll do it. Dream big, because if you don't know where you are going, then you've alredy arrived. Have patience when it comes to success, because every one else has patience when it comes to failing. We're all waiting for the next best thing, and laughing at it when it's shown to us.
Ugh. I'm about ready to turn off comments on this post. I think the Quixtar supporters have made my point.
Appears that you opened a can of worms back in August of 2002…pyramids have risen and collapsed since then! :)
Obviously, most people here are not do it your selfers! They are followers and just do not have want it takes to be a business owner and I guess that is why they work for someone else. I've owned several businesses and not came easy without hard work and a lot of effort! Every business needs customers and cannot survive without them. I'm successful in this business because I help others be successful in theirs! If you are not a hard worker and self motivated, you will not last in any business! Everything in life takes hard work and dedication. I see most people in here are negative and have a lot of resistence. They obviously don't have self confidence or self motivation! Their only answer and solution is to stay in the same old rut where they are at or in! The fact of the matter is, if you want to be successful in life, start being around people who are successful! If you want to reach your goals and dreams start hanging around others who have reached their goals and dreams! If you want to hang around people who are not happy, who are not successful then hang around people who are just never happy and who don't have any dreams!
Most of these people on this forumn are clearly un happy people and who just cannot stand for others to reach out and try to grab on to their dream and goals whatever they may be!
This forumn is a total waist of my time and I've been successful in every business I've started. Nope I'm not a Bill Gates or a Henry Ford. But I've reached many of my goals and dreams and still chasing them
good luck with yours
I've read a fair amount of these comments and most are negative. But I'm here to say this and this only.
I know successful people who are in Quixtar, Primerica, ACN, and other quote unquote pyramid schemes. Some make money and some don't… Effort tends to produce results sitting on your a** doing squat yeild squat. Simple
Pyramid schemes are ILLEGAL yet most of these companies are registered with govermental agencies in a positive light and have been around longer than a lot of these commenters are in age. HMMMmmm!
A lot of these companies have the backing of companies we are familiar with, and a lot of these companies have been recognized world wide for therre achievements.
This leads me to believe that a lot of the commenters on these so called boards, are lazy, and perfer working for the bottom of the pyramid their company provides. Rather than become successfull creating success for others…
If you choose hard work for yorself not others and will follow strong mentorship then feel free to email me If you choose to condemn me my email address is here just the same. I'm still successful. And I create success.
REMEMBER MOST PEOPLE LAUGH AND SAY NO … BUT WE HAVE LIGHTS IN OUR HOME BECAUSE THOMAS EDISON DID NOT QUIT WHEN HE FAILED OR WHEN PEOPLE CALLED HIM CRAZY. WE HAVE PHONES TODAY FOR THE SAME REASON WITH ALEXANDER G. BELL.
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE NOT WEATHLY READ THESE COMMENTS AND SEE WHY…… DARE TO BE DIFFERENT…
IBO's do not work for quixtar or for thier upline. They work for themselves. And if someone has ever mentioned the business to you, they are just sharing this different opportunity with you. There is NO “recruiting”. This business is not for everyone, just like not everyone can be a teacher or a politician. Politics is the most corrupt system of them all. They give themselves $100,000 raises at the tax payers expense. The people who talked to most of you about it made a mistake, and they are probably happy that they don't have to work with you. Those who are successful in this business laugh at comments made on websites like this. They are not still thinking of those of you who dropped out or didn's sign up. They are living well and are have a happy life speding the majority of their time with their children.
If you're so smart, why can't you spell their? And don't you know that someone is one word?
It's the mid-sentence tense change that was really bugging me.
Quixtar & BWW Rock my World! I love it! I am glad I buy CD's, books, and attend awsome functions. I am also glad my upline will spend a day driving 14 hours in his car, paying for the gas out of his pocket, so that I don't have to pay it out of mine…which costs more than my education materials. Maybe some of you weren't lucky to have a great upline like me. I love being a senior in college and know that when I graduate in 6 weeks that I am not getting a JOB (journey of the broke) No joke! The business is not for everyone and that's okay…and I respect that. I don't put others down for not doing this, and feel I should be respected and not be put down for doing it! God Bess
When I was a senior in college, I knew everything. I seem to have forgotten it all now though. :)
I didn't say I knew everything :) I just know that for me, in May, I don't need a job, because my income with this business is higher than what I would make using my degree. I hope I don't remember everything they tried to teach me in college too. Have a great Day!
Why you getting a degree?
I am getting a degree because, I started working for it 4 years ago, I've been doing this business 7 moths, while finishing my senior year. I just started the buisness to get a little extra income while in school and it grew into something great, more than I ever thought it would .
Here's a point guys!
For all those who are crying foul about that this is a pyramid scheme.
In the company you work for, can you earn more salary than the CEO? Thats the biggest pyramid you get into for life!
We guys have done a job/conventional business and are equipped and qualified to comment on what jobs provide to an individual with big dreams. But the people who have not done a business powered by BWW, are not qualified to comment on the business. Just as everybody has an armpit, they have an opinion about everything.
The people who work the business like as they work their butt off, always make it in the business.
The rejecters of the business keep working for years complaining Monday morning and waiting for weekends. The rejectees who work the business achieve financial freedom!
If you dont have a dream, other than going to a job, you are not even qualified to analyse and comment on anything, let alone BWW or Quixtar.
Well… I just attended some kind of presentational Quixstar meeting today. I was invited by a friend and only went because, well, I'll be perfectly honest, I think he's cute. But getting back on the topic at hand, I find everyone's comments to be extremely interesting yet unable to swing my opinion/thoughts in any one direction.
I am a Mary Kay beauty consultant as well, so once the meeting got started I began to realize that this wasn't some kind of “educational” deal to help business majors. It was all too familiar, not necessarily bad, but the same “motivational” manner. I tried to keep and open mind, yet I am still extremely skeptical. Don't get me wrong, I have not had a bad experience with Mary Kay. It's just that I came to realize that no matter how much I personally love the MK products, not everyone else does. For this reason, I felt that some of the ideas presented were extremely interesting. The fact that they sell more than just a make-up line was enticing, but I would like to find out how much these products cost, as I had many MK customers complain about high prices (of course this is understandable, although I personally fell in love with the products and therefore was willing to pay for a 20 dollar moisturizer as opposed to cheaper products that I was not satisfied with).
But anyways, I digress. I was understandably skeptic, of course, considering I already had first-hand knowledge of some of the personal requirements of these types of business ventures. I was extremely frank with the man and asked him many questions, but he seemed to dodge many of them, wanting me to go into more detail with one of the other “new” Quixstar folks at a later meeting. I wasn't offended, however, because I know how these systems work. People are naturally skeptic and it takes a lot of effort and a good play on words to even stand a chance. They are afraid of “losing me,” and simply didn't realize that I don't get scared away that easily.
So, I've decided to give them a chance and least hear them out, if not anything to ask them a ton of questions no matter how to-the-point they may be. I of course got an “informational” packet” and there were many suggestions to attend some kind of conference this coming weekend which I have no intentions on going to. I refuse to spend 250 dollars for someone to “motivate” me. If I can't do that by looking in the mirror and telling myself that I am awesome, then I should never have even been at this meeting.
I guess the point of my posting this is not really to convince anyone of anything. I want to learn more about this while at the same time not be too open-minded or too skeptical. For people who say “these companies never work, they are corrupt, nobody ever makes any money,” I do not believe it. These companies do work… but only if you make it work in your favor, and hopefully do that with integrity, which to me, is extremely important. I don't want to be the pushy sales person type. If that isn't possible then I'm not interested. I am having my “follow-up meeting” tomorrow and I intend to ask all kinds of questions and cut through all the BS and the ambiguity. I know what I want and don't want to do in a business. I'm not interested in cold calling, bugging the hell out of my friends and family, or having to depend on generating recruits. Now for those of you who are ready to shoot back with, “But that's all that Quickstar is about,” well, you may be right, but you may be wrong as well, I can't know for sure. So that's what I'm trying to find out. I want to see if there is a way to do this AND make money without having to become a sales monster. Will it work? Is it possible? I don't know… but I think I might like to experiment and find out for myself. Now if they start asking me to shell out hundreds of dollars up front, than see ya later. Whatever I discover, whether it end with the meeting tomorrow night, or continue on further, I'll be sure to “report my findings” here and maybe we can all get a clearer picture about this company.
wow…. I rambled on way more than I wanted to! ;) Happy posting.
Network marketing works only for those committed to changing there negitive attitudes about life, so that they can change their latitude in life…The reason people talk smack about our industry is because they are content with being just like everyone else, average… Well I applaud those average people, because without you I wouldn't be able to order my food at the drive through, fix my toilet when it breaks, clean my new car, bag my groceries, and the million other things that I take for granted everyday… So again I thank you for not having an interest in my opportunity. Without your negitive thoughts and boring lives I would not have this opportunity at all. If everyone took my opportunity and ran with it, it would no longer be an oportunity, would be the norm and I couldnt make any real money doing it…just like your j.o.b. (just over broke)…So thank you and remember the next time you come to the door with my pizza and I offer you a chance to look at my opportunity, well I hope you do what is best for you, because either way, I WIN! Good luck to all of those who are working to have the better things in life, starting with time freedom… never quit if you believe in the product or service you are providing others… This industry is more than making money, it's creating a belief in one self that they are better than average…Remember, successful people do what unsuccesful people are never willing to do. If you work hard, have faith and NEVER quit until you get what is ment to be yours, the end result will be much greater than anyother average job will ever have! GOOD LUCK!
Thanks for making me laugh, JJ.
I attended a Quixtar meeting a few weeks ago. A Britt Associate from Quixtar had invited me because she said she liked my customer service. She explained to me that she was a part of a internet business and that she wanted me to find out about this opportunity.
I went to the meeting on a Tuesday evening. It took place in a hotel. The lady who invited me told me to sit up in front so that I could get the most out of the presentation. She also asked about my dreams and goals. When I told her my interests (which included writing, women's studies, non-profit, social services etc), she said something along the lines of those types of jobs (teachers/social workers) making a difference, but that they don't make a lot of money. Before this, she introduced me to her colleagues. One mentioned to me “it's all about making lots of money and having fun.” In my mind, I thought “geez, why is it all about money?” Anyway, I decided to keep an open mind and listen to the presentation. However, the constant mention of money already had me skeptical. And the presentation only increased it.
The guest speaker speaker spoke about having time, money, and lifestyle as if these were everyone's goals. Wouldn't it be nice to make residual income? How ideal it would be to make $100,000 in 2-5 years, retire at an early age, and never have to work again. While that all sounds like a dream come true…it also sounds very unrealistic and like a get-rich-quick scheme. The speech was confusing, nonsensical, and contradictive. On one hand, you could work for this business for 10 hours a week and make decent money, but in order to see any profits you'd have to work a lot more than 10 hours per week. The whole time he spoke as if his purpose was to put stars in our eyes about making a lot of money in a short amount of time. At one point, I glanced around the room and noted the audience consisted people my age who had just got out of college. Why not try and talk us into working for Quixtar? The lure of easy and quick money is too good to be true especially when you have loans to pay back, when you want to get your own house and car, and be independent in every way possible. Although the Quixtar plan sounded rosy, something about it didn't sit well with me. It sounded too much like a pyramid: sell products and make money, and recruit others to work as IBO's to make more money.
In the end, I chose not to go along with it. It's possible that some people can make money with this business, but very few make the amount that the speakr brags about. If you are able to work this business, put your time and effort into it, and make a profit, and do it in an honest way, then more power to you. For those who reject, it, I'm sure they have their reasons as I have mine.
For the pro-Quixtar folks who claim that those against it, don't have dreams, that they will remain broke at their jobs, and always have to work and not see anything for it…stop with the badgering. Just because someone wants to work for a living, doesn't mean they don't have dreams of doing something better. Some people enjoy working hard, some love their careers and their fields of work. Some have found an opportunity in their career/job/work, and they have a passion for what they do. Money andliving an expensive lifestyle is not everyone's goal in life. Perhaps those who work for a living, do want more time, money, and lifestyle, but they are satisfied with how they are going about obtaining those goals, or they are happy and at peace with where they are at.
And that's my say on this Quixtar business.
HEY its JJ… after I spammed everyone my comments i got some pretty interesting responses!! Well here is my rebutle to this response:
“Jay, Great story and great laughs!!! Please continue spreading your false hope and dreams to the people who tune-out hearing nonsense like the teenager who bags your grocery who is determined to go college to become your doctor and tell you need mental help, like the plumber who owns a “real business with zero debt and has more money in the bank than you can imagine because he's smart enough not to listen to prepaid legal guy like you and the pizza boy who's about to write a software program that's going to make him multi-millionaire in be the Forbes magazine as the most eligible million bachelor in a couple of years. Keep doing what you are doing and I while I continue advising my clients and managing their wealth and we will laugh together about Prepaid Legal teaching their dreamers & non-doers how to view the rest of the world. Good luck my friend. I wish you well. P.S. Continue believing life is just about you and not the others you service with your and you will Lose every time!”
Thanks for the response…I would have to say that yours was the best yet!!! It made me laugh… The reason for my way over the top comments is in response to the many peoples comments on the web site… Their negitivity to an industry that is so misunderstood, just hurts my feelings. Well not really, but I do want people to know that network marketing is designed for success. Unlike MOST corporate jobs, SOME network marketing company''s have amazing ways of teaching people business skills that they never learned in school, dealing with people skills, goal setting, and personal growth….For me Personal growth is the biggest one. Did you know that less than 4% of the population makes over 100,000 dollars a year? We live in the most economically advanced society the world has ever seen and yet the majority is more than broke (credit card debt), cant afford health care, and worry about when gas prices spike ten cents a gallon, 10 cents!!! It's not right or fair in my opinion that people HAVE TO live this way. I feel by joining this industy, I have choosen to be a little less selfish and have decided to help as many people as I can get educated and to dream again, for what ever that means to them…The thing that is the most constude about our industry is that everyone who is in it only wants one thing, money…And thats just not true, it might be for those that are just starting out and that's why they got into our industry, but after a while and after really going through the education process (takes about a year or more) they begin to see the bigger picture, the success that they can earn for themselves and doing what they couldnt see doing in their other job. …There are amazing books that so many people dont learns about until they get into network marketing, books such as “rich dad, poor dad,” “How to make friends and influence people,” and a new one im reading right now “Eat My Frog.” And then there are countless other audio tapes of well educated, motivational, and successful people that people are incouraged to listen to….People actually start turning off their radio's, stop watching their televisions and start educating themselves about so many great things they can have in this world…It's absolutly an amazing process to watch this process happen in people and it gives me the most gratification in the world, more than any money ever could…My company strives on making people better people and more educated about the decisions they make in their own lives, financhally and personally…And do it while selling an absolutly wonderful service that is going to change North America for ever. With that said, of course this industy, my company, isn't for everyone. It is a sales job, sales jobs are not for everyone…It is however a chance, a vehicle for many people who just want something different. My comments where sent to everyone on the board, not just you, so know that…I just am trying to show people that we are not all bad and that it is important for people to start following there dreams, not a year from now, not even a week from now, they need to start now. Life is to short to wonder what could have been. What network marketing shows so many people is how to dream again, and sometimes thats all we need to change our lives for the better. Like I said before, for what ever it is that you decide to do and/or doing, really, good luck and i wish for nothing but the best for you and everyone you know…
JJ
Thank you so much for the comments!
I just felt like adding my two sense in here. I am one of four college guys who rent a house together. Two of them have recently became IBO's (within the last week). We have had meetings at our house the last five or six weeks. I am in the process of researching and consiering the idea, but at this point I would say no. I just don't like how they don't tell you the whole truth. First off the supposed savings, you save 33% on purchases from the website. 33% of what is the question? Go to your local grocery store or wal-mart and compare quixtar product/prices per same quantity to the products at the store you'll see that the discounted price on the website is considerably higher than the store price. My second complaint is this 100PV/250BV. They make it sound like you spend $250BV (on average) this will get you 100 points, which I would beleive. The question is how much does it peronally cost you to get to 250BV it is going to be more that 250 dollars. If you look at the products very, very rarely is the BV=the dollar spent. A couple other comments, it cost 40 something dollars to actually register as an IBO, but you must buy an introductory package it ends up around $120. I do think this can work and you can make money, but it is a bigger investment and much more time than they say it will, and a little bit of a lack of morality wouldn't hurt either.
I have a little bit of a lack of morality…
It's so funny, yet sad you put down a business which truley measures your drive and determination and your willingness to perform. Successful people rise up and gain control of their life. Poor people make excuses and say owning your own business, LIKE QUIXTAR, is a waste of time. Bill Gates never thought about it being a waste of time, neither did Micheal Dell. The Britt World WIde team builds people, and with that you are rewarded with a better finacial income, and friends who have a plan in their life. But I do not care one bit if YOU think Quixtar is bad. Stay broke and make you wife work the rest of her life. My wife will be free from her job very soon! Done deal! I'll way to you as I pass in my Ferrari 360 Modena!
One more thing,…if you always think the way you've always thought, you'll get what you always got.
This is great. I don't have to do any work at all to expose these people as materialistic jerks.
after all this comments, i feel it is the reason why in this country rich are rich poor are poor, i have a BBA, MBA degree, but never fullfill my dream, never acomplish the money i thought i would made of, i spend more then i earned now, people grow up quixster is not scam, at first i thought so, now i dont. if you work hard, have goal for your life and for your family you would atlest try once. in this life everybody fails all the time, but if you willing to work hard it pays of, grab the ladder and go up trust me money is everything in this life, your frineds, family won't come to see you if you dont have money and all those people who thinks they are educated and working for somebody, like telecom guy you will retire at 65 with nothing and also your kidds will get only debt form you, belive in you, some says i you want nothing is impossible for you, try it, if you do so one day you will thank all this people who tell you quixster is helping you to build your dream. but if you are love with your same job which have no security please di that, beacuse you are not giveing your child a dream instead a nightmare for there upcoming life. think and decide.
I just want to tell everyone that i am an ibo w quixtar…i just started….how is it a scheme….first off a pyramid scheme is when there are no goods or services changing hands…from what ive seen…i buy stuff and it comes to me…. that sounds fair… and you pay a retailer's salary or wages so its the same thing…and also in a pyramid scheme you cannot make more than the person above you…. if thats the case how did i make more than my upline last month? and finally the thing that these people dont realize is that people in this country are so skeptical about a way to be happy because we are so used to drama…. for once in your lives do something that makes you happy… no one makes you join… if you have a minimal iq you'll realize that bww isnt for everyone but then again neither is being a doctor or a lawyer….
i cant believe people still think this works i have been in amway before with many of my family
very profound i agree that we dont need no stinkin punctuation
i have just joined quixtar a month ago. I was introduced to this business by a great friend of mine since high school and well he told me that this business will work and he sounds to me like he's a believer. And well after reading all of this pro and cons, i felt kind off lost. I don't really know where to step now forward or backward. Can someone tell me more about what I should do. I'm in neutral now.
Is this the only forum for talking about Quitar on the Internet? I don't know anything about it except what I've read on this thread, but it seems like if it's so successful, they would have their own message board somewhere.
This, on the other hand, is just some poor guy's blog who happened to get approached by someone in a pyramid. All he did was make a comment about it almost two years ago. Since that time, his blog has been innundated with comments that use classic manipulation techniques to try to persuade him to think differently. I think he's as amused by it as I am.
People who say good stuff like how much they are making, and it is not a pyramid scheme are working for the companies. They tell you this to confuss you, so you will join them. We all know you just want us to join and give you more money. The more suckers they get in the more money they make. Please don't tell lies. I'm the all mighty, Gilbert…
It's me Gilbert, again. Those that make money will make most of it from others that lost theirs while trying. Can you make grandiose claims to recruit while knowing they must fail for your success?
hey gilbert, let me ask u one question, do u work, if u so, then u r in pyramid scheme,every corporation has pyramid, tell me do u make more money then your boss. all those people quixtar not a pyramid, u r by your own,if u do better then your upline you could reach up then he/she, study the plan then talked all of u grow up let people do they r doing dont say nagative that u dont know.
Wow…That made my head spin!
“My plumber's best friend's grandmother knew someone who went to a Quixtar meeting and they said that it wont work. Based on this, i dont think anyone should ever logically analyze this business and should make sure that they should try to bring down everyone that has a dream in life”
FACE THE FACTS, THERE ARE PEOPLE MAKING MONEY THROUGH QUIXTAR, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARENT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS OUT THERE! STOP BEING JEALOUS OF OTHER PEOPLES' MOTIVATION AND SUCCESS IN SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE TOO COWARDLY AND LAZY TO TRY, AND DONT FULLY UNDERSTAND. DEAL WITH IT, AND START LIVING YOUR LIFE MORE OPTIMISTICALLY TOWARD YOURSELF AND OTHERS.
My only issues is the comparison to regular jobs. I would compare this “opportunity” to a sales job, straight commission. The company takes no risk, while “regular jobs” pay you a salary to train you and rely on the fact that you will be around long enough to justify the investment. This ascertain that all workers make their bosses rich is ridiculous. Someone's watching too much “Apprentice”. The fact is that 98% of all business in this country are small businesses, less than 50 employess. Ownership pays themselves a nominal salary while putting any profits back into the company to keep it open. Having done Amway, Primerica and looked at Quixstar and Pre-paid legal services, I stick with the motto, if it's looks too good to be true, it probably is.
“Caveat emptor!”
hey rd, a real job pays you if you perform well or not. I know more people that lost much more money than they make in this type of scheme. So rd, you paid to work? For them to make money is to rip others off. A con artist works hard for his money but in the expensive of others. If this was a real business why would you think I'm here complaining?
hey gilbert, your are wrong a real job not going to pay you if u dont show the production. means layoff, u do t*r all the time. in quixtar people who lost money dont know how to do duplication, means teach people the system when people will learn the system they will know how to make money, if it's a con why all those educated, 6-figure income people are doing so good in this quixtar, this is a fact.check out there story. all educated people wont be fool? do u think so, i dont.so figure it bro, i am not favoring quixtar butit's work i know that. now question is who failed u or quixtar.
Quixtar should offer grammar and spelling courses to its associates so the rest of us could understand too.
No doubt.
Lmao, this is so funny, i guess i'm not the only one with common sense(cause it ain't so common) i'm a student of Econ (major) and i have a sh*t load of friends who are cornering me into this…but they just won't open there eyes. i tell them that its not even sound, and the act like i said that i don't want to be their friends…they are so caught up you would think that they are brain washed! it was funny at first but now it is just sad! i really don't see how you can make “cents” out of $250 bv=100 pv, and get a $7.50 check…how stupid
hey steve, i belive if are in Econ (majors) looks like u need to open you book and study then partying. i am going to tell u all fundaments that Econ u study that i never got taught in school. anyway think about h*t means hours multiply times. if u study u would know that. $250 that u spend on your booz u can spend for your daily needs and that $7.50 check oneday will be double. one last thing pls study man dont tell people u r studying Econ(major) beacuse u dont know anything about it. by the way if u need any help on your major subject i can help u. the reason is i read all Econ book and i study sincerly.
You might want to think about studying English spelling and grammar, rd.
hey steve look loke you never open your books too busy doing something. if u read your books (Econ) u would know the difference . any how looks like those stupid grads have phd, masters doing this quixtar. i think u r more educated then them. figure it out who is smarter them or u, if u need help i can help u to learn Econ beacuse u dont know nothing about it.
Matt, I don't think he's paying attention to us.
hey matt, i dont need too. i make more money then u anyway,so shut up and think about your lousy life. Dont tell people what to do because u r not a quixtar grad.
And we all know that money is more important than intelligence and kindness. I think it's you who ought to be examining your life.
matt in this real world intelligence and kindness do not count. if u like that as a human i love you but in reality people will kill u for those. i faced it i know. All friends and other u see around ask them if they will lend u money in your bad time they all will run. bro i like as u say but when times come every one in this world are money hungry.
I still say kindness is much more important than acheiving diamond status.
And I tend to buy into Jenn's and Matt's well-punctuated arguments. Diamond status in life is a result of kindness. Riches are another result regardless of one's involvement in Quixtar.
That's a very cynical worldview, RD. It's exactly why I won't drink the Quixtar Kool-Aid.
Well, here we go. I've worked with Quixtar now for a few months. After getting involved, I spent some time feeling it out. First of all, you should know who you're getting into business with. The world is full of unscrupulous people. I am blessed to have gotten into this with friends, who want to see me succeed and have worked to help me. And I am working with the people below me to help them succeed too. We're trying to start a business, not rip people off. Unfortunately that's happened in other lines before, and well, one bad egg can ruin the whole dozen. No one forces CD's or tapes down my throat. And I don't use all the products exclusively, just the stuff I don't want to deal with like toilet paper and all. It's convienient because it's like a costco that delivers. And contrary to popular belief, you don't have to buy a single product EVER in your life to have a successfull Quixtar business. But why would you get gas at Texaco if you owned a Mobil?
As for a Pyramid… let me try to explain this. Can anyone out there who screams “Pyramid” tell me how one really works? Money from those who enter goes to the people at the top. It sucks the money out of the bottom and filters it to the top. Quixtar is different. You pay the people under you. In a sense, they're on your payroll. When you bring a person into your business team, they get paid based on a percntage of the volume they do. And what is wrong with making money as a percentage of volume. I was a server for a number of years and did the same thing (getting tipped on a check), only now with Quixtar it's less of a hassle, I deal with less angry people (accept on message boards such as these), and I make a whole lot more.
Also, in a pyramid, the people below you can never make more money than you. In a Quixtar business, they can. It all depends on the volume each person brings you individually and the percentage they're receiving.
I liken the whole thing to starting a new job at a new company with a much less linear pay scale. Instead of time = money, however, work = money. You start a small group and are doing sales and promotions for a few months while you grow your clientel and make business contacts. Eventually when you get enough people in your group, you move on to more of a management and training position and they're doing sales. The larger your organization grows, you take on more of a Cheif Operating position, controlling the corporate movements and planning of the people on your team.
I like how this is likened to a cult, as well. I have a pretty diverse work background from doing R&D for a fw large pharm companies to waiting tables at an extremely profitable restraunt chain. One thing was clear, they tried to keep us excited about working all the time from little “dress down days” to free cheesecakes at Christmas. I simply prefer myself the trip I went on this past year to the Venitian in Las Vegas with my friends whom I've helped make successfull as a bonus from my Quixtar organization.
In closing, some people aren't cut out for this. But a lot of people do it anyway. Some people faulter and fail. Hey, some people get fired from their jobs. With everything there is a chance for failure. That chance decreases with every ounce of work you put into it. If this is working for you, congradulations, I hope you do it right and take good people with you along the way. If this didn't work out, don't be bitter, move on and find something you like better. Hanging around on internet message boards and harassing your friends who maybe want to try this and maybe could succeed with it is, in my eyes, just a waste of time. Find a hobby or something. I did and I turned it into a powerfull internet business. It's really kind of like you'r stalking an ex or something.
Hello. A friend of mine took me to a quixstar meeting last night. He became an IBO last night as well. It does sound very promising and i believe that yes, given the right oppurtunity, you could make alot of money with this. Ill agree that yes, this does seem like a scam, and i am skeptical as well. Im not going to sign up until my friend starts making some serious cash off of this, if he doesnt, then i have no interest in it. Im supposed to go with him on sunday to meet some other IBO's and discuss things. All i can say is that if you have a friend doing this, wait awhile and see how they fare in the scheme of things.
Well, after perusing the net for a neutral or anti-quixtar site (the web is flooded with pro-sites) I landed here. This evening I was given the 'pitch', and being familiar with Amway, it was everything I anticipated – with a few disappointments. I was prepared for the get rich quick undertones (o.k., overtones) and I knew some sort of elaborate schematic layout would be presented to explain the system. I was disappointed that the pitch sounded exactly like the Amway presentation given to me back in '83, with the exception of the e-commerce addition. Bottomline is that 1) while I'm sure a small percentage of people engaged in this business actually achieve their pursuit of above-average financial security, the vast majority will not. The well just isn't that deep; and for me personally, long-shots of this nature aren't worth my time, effort, or money. I agree with the folks here that say you will get out of it what you put into it but there is such a thing as giving your all and getting little or nothing in return -many in this country can attest to that. 2) As the extremely literate jhon109 has alluded, screw morality and ethics, it's all about the money and getting yours. Sadly, he probably belongs to the same group of Americans that are screaming about the Iraqi prisoner abuse situation because in their eyes that was immoral. So I guess morality is in the eyes of the beholder. The fact of the matter with Quixtar is, in order for someone up the ladder to significantly prosper, somebody somewhere down the ladder must get screwed. That is the law of the jungle – profit by exploit – everywhere else so I can't see why it wouldn't apply here.
Last night I watched with amusement, as Date Line dissected the Bill Britt organization. Long ago in a past life, I too spent thousands and thousands of dollars and a great portion of my time selling tapes and books for Amway. I feel for the people in those motivational rallies who (like me at one time) believe that they are going to get rich “showing the plan”. Let’s think about a few things:
o Think of how many tapes and books you’ve purchased and multiply that times the number of people in a rally o When you ask your up line how much you could make (or they make) you get an answer back like: “How much you make is dependent upon your efforts and what you are willing to put into it” or You get some obscure answer such as “I was able to pay for my vacation to such and such” or they will refer to up line Diamonds and how successful they are. In the end, you will never get concrete answers that can be substantiated.
o They will show you checks that look like a lot of money but how much are from the sale of books and tapes…how much are they truly keeping for themselves? o How many other people in relation to the size of the organization are making money? o If they back out the income of their day jobs, how much would they really have? o The pricing scenario on the products is exorbitant. Giving yourself a so called “discount” is deceptive. o When asked why the up line keep coming to the rallies you are given an answer such as… “because they care about your success” “they don’t need to be there”…yadda, yadda. Have you ever thought of it from the perspective of attrition? If these people don’t rally new recruits then their organization will fall apart? Ask the people attending any rally that you attend… “how long have you been in the organization?” You will get a real perspective of how quickly an organization can erode. For those few that have been in the organization for quite some time… try and find out how much they really make.
o Based on the thought of giving “5-10 hrs per week for 2-5 years” they either don’t believe it or can’t do it because it’s not true.
Thanks TJ and Frank…finally some meaningful insight on this thread.
Did anyone watch dateline last night? This is a scam if I have ever seen one. I went to a meeting and it was just like the one i seen on TV. They are just trying to make money of us through buying those stupid tapes. If anyone even joins this “cult” again i would be surprised. But yet i forget, there is some desperate people out their!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No wonder so many people are out of work…when they have the time to sit in a pyramid
I guess Bush should update his job numbers with Quixstar and Amway. Given the number of postings on this website, the job numbers ought to drop to an all time low !!
Well, folks the fact on Quixtar. It works when people work it. You must sell products each month to at least 10 Customers. You do not need to enroll anyone to make money. If you retail product and many do. you earn between 15% and 35%. You do not have to buy any tapes, books, go to any of the Seminars or attend business meetings either. If you do it and you spent more then you made. Shame on you. Many Businesses today never see a profit in 5 years. I made Profit my first month. Gheez that was sweet. We are the uncommon man we do things other will not. My friend got in to this it showed it to two people his aunt and his mother they both said NO so he quit now he bashes Quixtar telling people it doesn't work. the People they showed on TV well they fit the profile. One even started his own MLM. I forgot the name of it but someone sent me a spammed website I deleted it of course. Take a look at this Business. Can't promise you anything other then some will make and some won't but if you Quit you never will.
HopeDistribution,
Get your head out of the &$%^*& sand! The scheme was exposed for what it was, and it was done so pristinely.
There has been far too much information released on the web over the last six plus years in reference to AmQuix, once confidential memos decrying the tools systems that have driven recrutiment numbers as former Diamonds (Bo Short) that have come forward with first hand account information as to how the real money is made.
Even Doug DeVos came forward with a tape in '83 w/”concerns” about the motivation component of this sham being problematic by way of the “Directly Speaking” tape. You can go to mlmsurvivor.com and Amway Quixtar Business Anaylsis for this. Even if you were to do straight retail, it sure as hell would not yield for you the type of profits that your upline and others have lied to you about.
The stale, recycled cliches and diverting attention away from the problem no longer work.
Either you can post credible information that can be of sense or find yourself in obscurity along with the funds AmQuix and the tool kingpins are fleecing your for.
My friend, Bo Short was asked to resign along with the rest of his team from Quixtar. This happened after it was found they were charging people upwards of $300 to join, rewarding people with headhunter fees, and keeping the rest. That would have made Quixtar an illegal pyramid scheme. If you'd like, I'll email the actual documentation of why his group, “Team in Focus,” was disbanded. “Former Diamond” Bo Short is also starting his own company (Passport) right now to compete with Quixtar. You think if he was so disgusted by the business, he would still be trying? Reliable source of information there, huh?
There is no doubt money can be made by the sale of business support materials. It just depends on what group you're in as to how they are dispursed. My upline has never tried to hide the fact he gets income from it and very openly shares that info with us. He uses it, though, in a very intelligent manner – he reinvests it back into his group with special bonuses like trips and events for the people making good progress. Is that any different from other companies I've worked for who send thier top salespeople on cruises and all?
I would like to start out by saying I have nothing to do with the Quixtar business. I have friends who do it, and are starting to turn a real profit. Told them I wasn't interested and they left me alone. No big deal.
What I find funny however, is how all of the sudden NBC targets Quixtar. Hmmm. It's a pretty simple deduction if you look at the facts. Companies like Ebay and Amazon are starting to loose serious market share to Quixtar. These companies also advertise on NBC. Ebay and ShopNBC have a partnership, in fact. And who supports NBC. Well last night I counted seven Ebay commercials alone.
Now one of the big issues with Quixtar was the promise of wealth, right? Well then, why don't all of you negative stalker types out there check out Ebay's promises on their Affiliate Page. By the way, you want fraud, Ebay is the largest source of fraud in the web. Now where is the Expose on Ebay? Yeah, right – NBC knows who pays the bills.
As for the others not mentioned, the intelligent Pediatrician and her husband who lost $35,000 dollars on tapes and CD's never had anything to do with Quixtar. They did Amway in the early 90's. So say they did it for three years. They went to four $50 functions ($200 a year = $600) and two rallies a year ($20 a year = $60). That leaves $34,340. Now the CD's apparently cost $7.50. That means they bought about 4579 CDs. Hmmm. I doubt that. And if they did, then seriously, that's on them being that every one is optional and has a money back guarantee.
I'm sorry this is long winded. Seriously though, this is not for everyone. I researched it, found it wasn't for me, and left it alone. All you nay-sayers out there, get a friggin' hobby or something. I agree 100% with what someone said earlier about you guys being like stalkers. I put this question out there to you – what happened? Did you loose money? Did it waste your time? Or were you just annoyed someone proposed something to you? Seriously, get over yourselves and find something you like.
I must admit when I joined Quixtar months ago I too thought it was a scam, a pyramid scam to be exact, but since then I have changed my mind because I've been getting more then my upline.
You see Quixtar is just a warehouse for goods that I sell to my clients nothing more. The reason people fail is because they think it's the easiest job on the planet. It isn't. Like any business you have to put work into and keep people happy. Now since everything is done over the internet it's much easier also much cheaper then building your own brick and mortar business Quixtar does everything for you except get clients and other IBO's. That's the only responsibility you have to do for your own business.
Now the people who hate it or failed at it how hard did you actually try or put time into your own business to make it succeed? Quixtar isn't the problem it's the individual who doesn't take the time to build his business and help his down lines do the same.
The tapes, CD's, and meetings aren't for you to make money it's for positive thinking and encouragement into your business. It's to show you that ordinary people, much like yourselves, are making it in the business and if I put more time and effort into it I can be where they are at.
Reading a couple of posts above my goal also is to make Diamond and beyond. Right now I'm Platinum and it's just a stones throw for me. So you all can hate all you want, but me and others who enjoy their own business will go far.
Well, I guess I have to put in my two cents here.
I was approached by someone from Quixstar about a year ago. At the time, I worked retail and was searching for a better paying job. The representative (along with his wife and two kids, which, also were in the business with him) sat down with me and explained the way franchises work (he used McDonalds as an example). After going to a few meetings and finally finding out what the name of this actually was, I decided it was worth a try. I decided to buy the membership, and listened to some of the tapes that were given (not sold) to me. I also read a book that was given (not sold) to me, and the book was quite interesting. As I progressed in the weeks following, I began to tell everyone about this great new opportunity. I started suggesting the products Quixstar sells. I started recommending this great new business to everyone I knew, family, friends, you name it. I was totally committed and submitted to this business.
Then a curious thing happened.
About two months after working hard to become a successful IBO, and working hard to get others I knew and loved to do the same, I realized that I had spent over $500.00 on meetings and Quixstar products, while I had made $3.00, the reward for making 100 points the first month. I hadn't made more because the products (namely the X Energy drink) were no better than anything you could get at a grocery store, cost a lot more, and satisfied a lot less (the X energy drink tastes terrible). Furthermore, I found that my friends and family had no desire to talk with me for fear of hearing about this business and the great opportunities it would give me. I figured it would pass and success would come as long as I stuck with it. After another month, I had a conference with the representative who had brought me in. I told him that I no longer could afford to attend meetings because I could not afford gas to get back and forth. I told him my friends had abandoned me. And he told me (in the nicest way possible and with the most big words possible as to make it seemingly impossible to understand and therefore easy to accept) that he didn't care. This business was the most important thing to him now, and that if I or anyone else didn't see it as he did, that they were lazy, unfortunate and deserved to be poor the rest of their lives. I, therefore, told him (in the nicest way possible and with the most big words possible as to make it seemingly impossible to understand and therefore easy to accept) to go to hell. I'm proud of my decision to stay out and I'm glad I got out when I did. One of my classmates from high school also found out the hard way, he's spent over $2,000.00 in this “business” and has made back approximately $200.00 while being told to abandon his job, family and friends to “submit” to this “business”. He finally got out last month. It's true, many people have done well with the Quixstar pyramid, and I commend them for devoting their lives to something they believe in. However, Quixstar is NOT for everyone, and therefore those that did not succeed in it (about 90% of those that try it) should not be considered losers, lazy, or just plain stupid. I have found that while they say you are your own boss in this business, it is quite the contrary as those above you continue to hound you to see how much money you can make them. So please, accept it or reject it, but I urge you not to be quickly seduced by fast talking salesmen who have apparently already planned the rest of their lives and are retiring at the age of 24.
And by the way, these meetings kind of creeped me out. These Quixstar IBO's really seem like…a cult.
Oh one more thing. I noticed that all of these meetings I attended (I went to over thirty) were composed of over 95% white, male upper class people. The only females involved were the wives of the males involved (they submitted to their husbands! Yippee!). And I've also noticed that many of those involved with Quixstar and are supportive of it can't spell to save their lives. So have fun sipping drinks out of coconuts and laughing at those not in your business, because, as you well no (oops. had a Quixstar spelling moment their, oops, there's another won, oops, wow, I'm just not smarte), we're all quitters anyway.
Oh, and did you catch Dateline on May 8?
kevin, i think your upline was'nt a good leader. in quixtar uplines are devoted to help you. i understand your feeling. Some people do not follow 9 step course and get lost. but one think i will say if u follow the 9 step and do it by the way should u should have money in your pocket. try once more and change your upline, in this business it's work as a team, without make u sucessful your upline is nothing. so sorry for wrong impression. by the way it's not for everybody
Here's a comment made on this thread from a few days ago that has me confused…
“I must admit when I joined Quixtar months ago I too thought it was a scam…”
Did the person who wrote this already throw money at everything he thought wasn't a scam and thought it was time to try out something he thought was a scam?
Mr. Kevin, I can't sit back and let you accuse all of us of being in Klu Klux Kuixtar. I would like to consider myself at least semi-successfull because of this business model. I have supplemented my previous income and then some. I have no debt and I own my own house. I am also a single African American woman. My fiance has nothing to do with the business or my success. In fact, my personal group is very diverse (according to U.S. business demographics, anyway) consisting of both sexes and many different nationalities as well as many of the other groups I'm working next to. Now, Mr. Kevin, I was wondering, in your experience as an African American woman, if you ever tried to succeed in traditional business or, better yet, even tried to get a job. This system has provided me with a way to escape all the predjudices and backwards thinking in your “real world.”
And yes, Mr. Kevin, I did see Dateline. I just did some research, however, and realized that it was yet another biased media report. If they wanted to present a fair and balanced opinion (you know, ethical journalism), wouldn't they have given Quixtar representatives equal air time? Some air time? A quick, subtitled blurb in the bottom left of the screen even? Face it, you were lost in the wrong group. But come home to momma, Suga, and we's makes everythings all betta.
Great grammar, rd. Oh, and by the way, Trisha, my fiance is an African American woman. So don't accuse me of “backwards thinking.” I know what goes on in my real world. Furthermore, I know it sucks. So don't tell me I know nothing about it.
Have fun with Quixtar. I'm sure you'll make lots of money and have lots of fun. As for myself, I guess I'll just be poor; although I have come to realize that MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING.
Face it, I know I'm in the right group. So go home to poppa, sista.
Let me tell you something about Quixtar, Matt! You aren't pressure to force anything on anybody. It's a business that you control. They're 4 steps to making it in Quixtar. 1) Register with quixtar.com. You don't have to buy books, cd's, or any of the motivational crap. And you definitely don't have to go to the stupid meetings. I have yet to do so.
2) Things that you can buy from quixtar instead of walmart, you should do so. Buying things wholesale and getting points for it, vice going to Wally World is a wonderful thing, believe it or not!
3) The only thing left to do is to share the experience with others. Notice I said share not force!!! If you let people know that you have your own business and present them with the benefits, then they might or might not join you.
You see, it's not what you think it is. You don't quit your job, you don't live on the street trying to promote this. You know if you manage to find 6 people willing to convert they're shopping to quixtar and share the idea with others, you could retire from that 9 to 5 you have.
so i have some friends that are doing this whole quixstar company and they are totally involved in this. Like many of you have said thats all they talk about and they get pissed if you dont want to join the business. But they talk about how now they believe more in god and that they changed their views on abortion, homosexuality, as well as the news. Ok quesion since when does joining a business change your views on things like that!!! Ok talk about cult.. Get a clue you are wasting your time with this busines because the people that i have talked about havent mad any money and they are always complaining because they have no money!! GET A REAL JOB!!
Interesting how a person will make a really bold statement and then sign it with a phoney name and address. Kinda ruins any credibility they may have had.
I've been in the business for a year now, and I've seen numerous checks. You know what the key is? Not listening to a bunch of silly critics!! Oh yeah, it's stupid to get into this business without a primary job. This isn't a “get rich quick” type of thing here!! Dummies!!!!
How much are you really making, Raq? Straight up tell me.
Oh, and I looked at your four step plan, Raq, and noticed that there are only three steps. I also noticed that they're should've been spelled their in your last sentence of that particular posting. So, you can neither count or spell and you're making a ton of money. Sounds like you're in the NBA.
“FREEDOM….FLUSH THAT STINKING JOB WHOOOSH! LOL What a bunch of brainwashing crap! I have seen the Dateline undercover investigation of Quixtar that took more than a year to complete. The people getting rich are the same ones from Amway who sell the books, tapes and speak at seminars. They said 99% of those attending the seminars would LOSE money. Sounds like a good business to get in to…NOT. Do you ever notice how people involved in Quixtar get so defensive when you mention the word “pyramid”? Quixtar also refused to be interviewed by Dateline about their company. Does that tell you anything?
rob, you are a cynical person.if u watch dateline, then u should know what quixtar response, it is in web go and take a look. finally rob ther is a word if u lesson to loosers and stay with looser you are a looser. be a winner check out the plan, it has no scam.
I normally don't allow comments like the previous one to stay. I'm going to leave it as yet another example of the mentality of these people.
Thanks for leaving it, Matt. It made me laugh. :)
Well! I don't think I was defensive in any of my last postings. I only shared what I've experienced. To say that everyone that joins would be as fortunate as I, now that would mean I'm some sort of fortune teller. you can believe whom ever you choose to believe when it comes to the possibilities of a financial free life. And as for you Mr. Perfect! Talking about you Kevin. Spelling and typing isn't what puts the bread on my families table and neither does it pay for the roof over our head, so who gives a flying f**k if you notice my typos.
RD & raq, after reading thousands of posts in reference to Quixtar, its comments and assertions to justify its existence and practices, Quixtar has shown itself to be one w/o ANY integrity, nor has the fortitude to come onto Dateline to defend itself. These people chose to hide behond the web posting for their flimsy defense.
I was once involved in this sham and saw the garbage for what it is. The amount of written information (Postma Memo) and numerous tape recordings (Directly Speaking by Doug DeVos) point to the fact that Quixtar KNEW about these abusive BSM practices from w/in their organization but did nothing. As of now, the very ones operating these outfits occupy their various boards, and have become too integrated into Quixtar for the company to censure them w/o suffering huge losses themselves.
I was once involved in this sham, speaking from experience. This is no longer a subject of “which LOS is the best” or who is acting in integrity versus the other. ALL lines are polluted, as the head of Quixtar/Amway/Alticor or whatever the hell they are calling themselves these days is. Whatever is at the head will trickle to those beneath, even the ways of the ill repute. The mentality you and others have displayed on this board and elsewhere demonstrate that you have exhausted all means of rational thinking and justification for the company's shameful existence and practices to where you engage in name calling (poorly spelled at that).
As was already asserted, it will just be a matter of time before this entire outfit is put into shambles, and I cannot wait for the fallout.
Raq, you just don't get it. You never got it.
I don't point out typos and grammatical errors to make fun of Quixtar and it's members. I'm glad you have found financial freedom and can put a roof over your family's head. It's great that you can put food on the table and continue to bad mouth “naysayers”. I don't point out your typos to defend my position. So why do I do it?
To show how stupid YOU are. Jackass.
You've heard my position from my first posting, and I don't think I need to repeat it (as it was quite a long story and it has already served its purpose). Furthermore, Gallagher backs me up quite nicely.
By the way, Raq, I'm not Mr. Perfect. He's a washed up wrestler who is probably your hero. However, I am more perfect than you. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm sorry, Raq, you still haven't told me how much you're making. So?
Quixtar's sales pitch is very aggressive and I truly hate the way they tried to con me in joining. A friend of mines has introduced me his friend. We went out a couple of times to get familiar with ourselves. She was nice and a Christian. She finally introduced a great opportunity to have financial freedom and make thousand of dollars. She introduced “Quixtar” to me and all the incentives of accumulating points to make money. I been through this crap in hearing direct marketing sales pitch before from other companies. She then, advise me that I would introduced me more people in the rip off chain. These pyramid is like a chain which you have to constantly introduced people, so they explain is not a pyramid because it is a chain of people helping each other. I stupidly agree on her sweet talk I would hear her CD on Quixtar. I know first hand I would be brainwash by the company material. I was totally insulted on my intelligence when she said Quixtar was the # 2 spot in sales behind Amazon. What the f–k, you have not right to be in the legion. Never heard of Quixtar, but heard of Amazon. Where is your proof? Out of courtesy I took the CD and sign my name and phone # becuase the CD was a loan for 2 days. I then realized it was a scheme in getting my Phone #. Next time she offered me more company material I would refuse because they would be on loan and which mean I would have to see her again to return the material. I told her I was not interest in their believes. She constantly call me , but never pick up the phone. Over a couple of weeks, out of courtesty from my friend I agreed to hear a more crap from a more exprience Quixstar. Again I have to hear the sales pitch crap of having finacial freedom. They encourage me to go to home visits and seminars. I told them it was a rip off and leave me alone. They don't listen to me and want to brain wash me in joining. In the beginning we talk about family and I told her my brother was a programmar and want to talk to my brother about his field because she was once a programmar. No way am a going to introduced my brother to her. She is trying to found something in common and later con my brother in joining. That is the oldest trick in the book. Eventually my unemployed friend join because he was desperate in making $$. Now my friend is trying to con me in hearing this seminars. I looked the price list of the products they offered. Some were over priced. They also sell shoes and clothing. Who would buy these products over the internet, you would first have to wear this products to see if they fit or not. They are trying to sell a new concept. That concept is not selling ,but try to introduced a product that you never heard of before to other people, but the irony is you get no incentives for introducing the product to other people, but incentives of eventually selling the product to the end user. We agrue constantly over this. The sign up fee is CDN80.oo per year. I made fun of them by saiding what if I start a company and charge $80 and you found 100 people for me to sign up. I would make $8000 . They defend the $80.00 saying it cost $ to start a business and cost is mostly catalogue. “$80″ is not much. said her. Then why don't you pay on my behalf. She replied”No free lunch” The cost is even higher when you reach the more advace level of the business. All this sum up in a nut shell – This is a scheme where the products are over priced so that they can passed the small profits in form of commission (points) to you. Why buy from them when you can purchase your basic needs over a 10 minutes drive to her nearest store, whereby you buy from Quixtar you have to wait a day or two for your product. You want it right away.Add cost may also included shipping cost if they not meet the threshold amount. How are you going to convince a brand loyalist who have used “Tide” detergent or “Crest” toothpaste for several years to switch a product that they never heard of. Quixstar do not advertise their products in the media. They used you and other suckers to promote their products for small peanuts in the form of points. If you look at their points scheme, you have to sell or buy your self CDN290.00 worth of goods to get involved in the incentives. I still receive the constant sales pitch even I said I said they are a rip off. Good luck suckers
The thread that never ends. People are definitely passionate about this subject.
This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends…
Quixtar is one of the most prominent businesses that i have heard of. I give this company credit for helping those in need helping themselve. The outrage of others not taking the time to look at the opportunity that is given to them astonishes me. I wonder why people take it upon themselves to look a gift horse in the mouth and walk away…life is strange, but peoples assumptions are stranger.
Darlene, your assumption that people haven't taken a good look at this business is a strange assumption indeed. It astonishes me that you can support this business after all that has been uncovered about it.
Raq, I really want to know what you're making. Don't be shy, tell me.
My husband and I tried to get recruited for this scheme and maybe they thought we were stupid or something like we actually weren't going to go on the internet and do some research. Well when we found out what it really was of course we didn't want to have anything to do with it. But the bad thing is two of our really good friends are sucked in, and no matter what I tell her she doesn't want to listen, anyone got any advice?
cammy, did you ever know that if u listen broke you will be broke for life, if listen a person or group finalcially free you will do good. Internet resarch with out seeing the actual plan and get sucked in to those broke people word or junk they put in website, forbes say quixtar is the world #1 in health and beauty, they did $11 millon sales on one day. with you or with out you quixtar will do good. it's your call to be part on this.
finally, cammy your friends knows what they are doing, a friend always support friends dream. for you, you dont know whats the plan how it's work. you do not want to listen your best friends instead you listening this broke people who's never have dreams. all squre you are making fool yourselve.
It's very hard to decipher what you're trying to say, but it seems like you're saying that anyone who doesn't get involved in Quixtar is broke. Did I understand you correctly?
It's trying to speak to me, I think…well I'm not sure. Could be just a bunch of noises.
I got curious when rd said that Forbes says Quixtar is #1 in the world. I've seen a lot of wild claims on this thread, and I'm not very familiar with Quixtar, so I wanted to check it out.
I Googled “forbes quixtar”. The first entry that came back was an article at Forbes.com about Quixtar. They referred to Quixtar as a “get-rich quick scheme”. Here's what else they said:
“…most reps in such organizations spend more time recruiting than selling.”
“…many lose money.”
“…you're more likely to fill your shelves with bottles of shampoo than to fill your bank account with cash.”
You can read the entire article here. They may be #1 in the world at something, but is it enriching their IBO's?
My experience w/Quixtar: My boyfriend joined a while ago. I decided I would support him, since I really didn't know what it was. Now, I realize that was the worst mistake of my life. I told some relatives my bf was joining with Quixtar and they were shocked. A few of them had encountered this “company” before and they all said it was a scam, that I should try to get my bf out or I would be sorry. Well, sorry I am. My bf is now so sucked into Quixtar, and brainwashed w/false threats, I don't think he will ever want to quit out of fear that he is doing something wrong if he does. The worst part is that my bf and I have been together for a very long time and we were always very close. We always had a good time together, and now all he wants to talk about is his “AMAZING QUIXTAR EXPERIENCE!” (When he has time for me). It also bothers me that now my bf only wears suits, not because he wants to, but because that's what they HAVE to wear.(He even wears suits to the beach, and park!) His “upline” or “mentor” as he likes to call it even tells him how he can act around ME! (What nerve!) For ex. (& YES this is TRUE…) A few weeks ago my bf and I were talking about maybe getting married. Then he told me he would have to check with his upline first of how old he should be when he gets married!!!! AND HE WAS COMPLETELY SERIOUS!! Then later that day, I met with his “upline” for the 1st time. He told me that I should not even bother going to college. I should drop out and join Quixtar! Some “mentor” that is! My bf really trusts these people and I don't see why. I think they are really deceptive, and while they ACT overly nice, I really think it's creepy! Well, as the days go on, my bf gets more and more brainwashed. I am trying to do everything I can to help him, but this Quixtar thinking is really some powerful stuff. You're probably thinking..”Why don't you just leave him already”… well I would (and I probably will end up doing so because I can't stand to hear about “Bill Britt and the rest of the gang” anymore) but right now I think if I leave his life, he will have no one else and he will get even worse. I am his only real sense of reality, I just have to hope I can help him get out of this. He also works at a different job, which is GREAT! The only problem is, he doesn't have ANY money right now. Why, you ask? Well, he spends all that money to buy his own Quixtar products,”motivational” tapes, and energy drinks and bars so he can go on the trips that cost $400 to brainwash him! I think there is something wrong with this picture. I know some people (like my bf) will jump to defend Quixtar in a second, but that's what they have been trained to do. (Keep in mind this is a COMPLETEY true story, I even left parts out.) Well, you can decide for yourself; but to me, Quixtar is BAD news! DO NOT get involved! Well…he's on the phone now… and guess what….”He's FIRED UP about Quixtar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO FIRED UP…he just HAD to call in sick today at work to celebrate!!” (w/Quixtar of course!!!) Isn't that great!” HELP!
Christina, that's some pretty heavy stuff…possibly the worst situation I've seen posted here (it's certainly worse than mine was). I don't know how qualified I am to give advice on this subject, but what I would do is give him an ultimatum; he can have you or Quixtar, but not both. From what you've said, it sounds to me as if he either doesn't know how strongly you feel on the subject, or he doesn't care. My guess is the first one considering you've been together a while, but you never know. Anyway, issue an ultimatum, that's what I would do. I know it sounds rough, but sometimes you can't help people that won't help themselves. Good luck, and hopefully he will see that he's losing something much more important than Quixtar soon.
kevin get a life, instead of telling her how to resolve the solution u telling her live her boyfriend. Chirstina if you can not support your bf dream then you should'nt rattle him, if you true love him you should help him to achive his dream either you like it or nor. Do not ask this loosers here for opinion, they are broke they will be broke. listen yourself, rest on you love is for giving and shareing. all the people are succesful in quixtar there wife/gf helped them. Its your decision, your bf could be the next diamond. if you can not support his dream then dont discourge him. rest on you.
RD, just shut the hell up.
I am 18 and I was approached by a good friend I've been talking to for awhile about “this great way to make extra money” through Quixtar. I went over to his house ( who i've known awhile and trust) where one guy who was a “millionaire and retired at age 36″ was there and with another lady and a 23 year old who was in the buisness who graduated from the same high school as me. They told me all about Quixtar and I almost dropped 150$ to join after an hour of talking. However, i waited and decided to go home and talk to my family first bout it. My mom, brother, sister and dad all said they had heard bout it before and that it was all a huge scamn and to not get involved. However, I still dont understand how it is a scam when it seems exactly like a franchise. Of course the person above you will make more. The man who started the McDonalds and sold more is obviously making more buy selling more McDonalds and getting a percentage of profit. Quixtar seems the same way. If i get more people to join it would only make sense for me to make money. The catch to me is just being able to find people to actually join. But if they have me convinced this easily, couldn't I convince just as many people that easily? I'm confused on this. Should I do it or not? Some seem to make a lot of money. Some say it's a scam. What should I do? Any tips to make it work? or should I stay away. My main concern is this…if it's such an amazing thing where you make money so easily…Why isn't EVERYONE doing it? Why haven't I heard about it till recently? I need answers.
LC, any business that generates controversy over whether or not it's a scam is one to stay away from. The are plenty of reputable companies that you can focus on. Better yet, at age 18, you can go to business school. I assure you that anyone who graduates from business school has no confusion about Quixtar.
Let the truth be known. Amway sucks , hosted by Dave Touretzky of Carnegie Mellon University is a premier ojbective informational site about Amway, Quixtar and Alticor. The Blakely report, a controversial memorandum about the validity of the top tier AmQuix execs or “Families” show some staggering discrepancies between the Company Dogma and actual practice. The Amway idea is even compared to the Mafia! Plus, a .WAV of the Dateline hidden camera exposè can be downloaded and watched. I highly recommend anyone thinking about joining to review and evaluate the information contained within this website. My brain washing was nearly complete until by a miraculous whim of “googling” curiosity I was invariably led to Mr. Touretzky's site. Truly, this is a must read for all current and potential Quixtar Advocates and Abolitionists. Any Questions or Comments: Email me Here
Well basically all I wanted to say about Quixstar is that I feel that it is not a pyramid scheme. I believe in free enterprise and I believe that the naysayers are the ones that don't have the business know-how to make it. I plan to join simply for the fact that I have and currently do run my own business, but that doesn't mean I can't start another business and make more money. Best Luck to all of you that have a negative attitude.
Apparently Tony didn't see the NBC Dateline story that exposed Quixtar. Or maybe NBC News is one of the naysayers that doesn't have the business know-how to make it. :))
Naysayers…one of their trademark terms. It's too late for you, Tony. You belong to them now.
well i was skeptical and CIGARETTE COMPANIES dont even have a reputation this bad….its a complete waste of time.
i was approached by a recruiter and he was overly excited at the fact i was in the military, maybe he thought i was some sort of an idiot…LOL…he told me the “business” can be highly technical, so i continued to tell him i was an IT tech in the military and i described to him what it was i did in my field…needless to say, he had NO idea what i was talking about, i found it strange and funny at the same time.
then he asked me questions like “are u accountable for your own time”, “do u want to make 6 figures a year”
i'm pretty insulted, because i feel that he assumed i was some gullible fool because of my age and background…ignore them
3 years in the military i've done…needless to say, i'm a master when it comes to mind games.
To all active i.b.o's out there, I have a couple of important questions that a person needs to ask themselves when it comes to this business. If you are a “sharp person” or a “go getter” or a “winner” or any of those other am/quixisms that we are supposed to use when approaching a prospect, how come if you ask a question that relates to info on sites like these, what is going on or anything like that, how come we are told that we don't need to know, don't focus on the negative, we are lied to or told, (and this is my favorite) don't worry you will understand when you are successful. If I am such a sharp guy, why can't I be told the truth. As a former active i.b.o. I always believed I was capable of making sound decisions and could reason for myself. My upline told me different. My second question has to do with the motivational tools that they encourage us to buy. If we are free to purchase what we wish, howcome we are told that tools are optional but necessary and that if we are serious about the biz, we will buy everything we are told to. I was told that my upline would not waste their time with anyone who wasn't commited to building a business and the way to tell was to look for the ibo's that were plugged in and buying tapes, books and attending all functions. Does this sound familiar. Also, why don't they tell you when they show the plan that all platinum's and higher get a little piece of the tool money if the diamond likes you, keeping in mind that it is optional. I would just say to anyone who is involved or is thinking about getting involved that when anyone discourages independent thought, encourages hero worship of anyone, cannot give solid answers and always puts the business not working back to you not being serious enough about it, and treats you like a fragile little two year old who cannot make informed decisions on your own then you have to wonder what the true motivation is for an organization like that. They say we are independent but set rules you have to abide by. And I am not talking about the code of conduct, I am talking about the rules handed down by the leaders of the various A.M.O's. Think about it. Thanks
Yes you can make money with quixtar!!That not really the issue. Money or not there is more to lose than to gain. Quixtar is more of a lifestyle than a business.There is an evil spirit behind the whole thing.Notice how much “God” is mentioned in the seminars. Major red flags!!! I would encourage anyone to strive to get out of the 9-5 rut .But not at the cost of your friends and family. Most people involved will never admit that they have to constantly lie and “hype” people to make money in quixtar.Is money really worth all the guilt and shame.
Don't go for all the lies and “hype” of quixtar. The business requires you to harass your circle of influence (friend and family)it is a very degrading thing to do because most people can see right through your greed. you will become less respected and alot of people will look at you like a total idiot. I'm not one to really care what others think about me,but my friends and family mean alot to me. If you are going to get involved stay away from your friends family and church. The reason i say this is because you may become sucessful but chances are that they won't. Nobody likes to be talked out of $180. It just creates bitterness and tension.
Hey Tony, man are you screwed up. Is it an evil spirt or is it God inspired ? You talk about both in the same paragraph! You have very narrow thinking. This whole scheme thing is stupid. You know why you hate it so much? Cause you didn't have the guts to put in the effort to do it! That's 98 % of the people who turn away from it. Yeah you freind or family member turned you down , maybe even made fun of you. If they did were they really a friend in the 1st place ? I think not. Some family members don't want you to be successful cause that would make them look bad. So they hold you down and put you down . And for you tyler. You don't sometimes get a profit from tapes and books at platinum , you “DO” get a profit from it. Always , not if your diamond likes you. That statement was totally stupid. Your diamond does not make up the pay-scale Quixtar does. Get a clue pal. You guys never even got into the basic numbers or the real structure of how this all works. You probably tried it and when it didn't make you rich overnight you quit! Hey how does that feel saying –”I QUIT ” ? You probably did that a lot through life didn't you….
Hey Jonny Bravo, step off my boys Tony and Tyler and go back to the fantasy land you came from.
We all know how you people are trained to come to postings such as this and defend your sacred Quixtar. I know there is no way we can stop you, but I can rebut some of your weak arguments. Let's see…according to you, a friend is someone who would never turn you down or make fun of you. I wonder what kind of friends you have…oh, wait, they're all in Quixtar, and therefore they always support you right? Ok. I always thought that a friend was someone who would give you their honest opinion on any subject because they knew that you respected that opinion. As for making fun, well, if there's no making fun going on between you and your friends, they're not your friends. That's part of what makes a friendship, you know…that's why they call it MAKING FUN!! Let's take a look at your “I QUIT” argument here. You say that 98% quit because they don't put effort into it, then later go on to imply that group is made of those that don't make it rich overnight. Let's take a look at the real facts here. In fact, it's 99% of Quixtar IBO's that don't get rich overnight. Actually, that 99% doesn't get rich PERIOD. Take a look at your very own figures. Do you know what the average income for your IBO's is? $1,400.00 per year. I make ten times that working part time at a bank! YOU get a clue, bro. Maybe you're one of those lucky few, but this scam leaves most that come across it unhappy regardless of how much effort they put into it. You want to know how it feels to say “I QUIT”? It feels GREAT when you're leaving a joke like this. Bounce, Bravo boy.
People please understand that if you put in the time and effort (give it your life)you can make a great money.It just takes time and motivation. They say you will have financial freedom. Most sucessful Quixstar people are in bondage to greed and lies and deception. Their mind and energy and life is consumed by greed. This is not freedom It's prison. If you are part of quixtar you cannot deny that your mind and nerves are constantly Thinking about quixstar.You will lose interest in everything else in life and find yourself miserable. I know that if I put in the time and effort that i could make money. If you are involved in quixtar please get out before it ruins your life.
Go eagle baby!!!
Im at malaysia and its sad to see you guys at teh US of A fighting over the legitimateness and authencity of a billion dollar company.. for you guys who wanna knwo bout reputation. please go and check out NUTRILITE. which has been around since the beggining. okay. i rest my case and i like what one guy put up there. for those IBO's stop reading this crap and go spend time in your business. i guess you guys in USA are not worried about poverty compared to the Indians who have built this business in an urge to make it in life. remember when you get too comfortable, you get nowhere. as Rich Devos puts it- dont tell us what you can do with the business, take it and how what you want to do. even a Ten dollar is big money for a single mother sending her child to school in middle east. a hundred might mean more for the college going student. a thousand makes a good extra pocket moeney for the local doctor. you dont have to become millionaires. buts its an opportunity nevertheless!
Yet another example of the incompetence of these people.
Who the hell is Rich Devos?
Maybe they don't get Dateline in Malaysia, but Quixtar has already been exposed in the U.S. There's a link to the video up above in this thread.
Hello all, I'm an IBO… I have a very good job that I actually love but the only difference between me and other people who either haven't seen the business plan or who don't agree with the business plan is that I have a plan B, a safety net, a highly profitable way of making money by simply doing just as each one of you are doing now… spreading word…I spread the word of a business opportunity that's changed my life and it's up to whomever I come in contact with to decide whether they want to use it to change theirs.
Sadly, some of you have come into contact with IBOs who give Quixtar and its partners a bad name, got your strings pulled by the media – like Dateline who cut and pasted clips from meetings and seminars only to make the business look a way that it isn't. I was there, everyone there knew Dateline was there. If we had something to hide, we would not have gone on with the conference as if they weren't even there. The media is another form of negativity that gets into our minds. It slowly programs us and eventually has us living, thinking and doing things that they tell us to. If all media outlets were to come on right now and say the world was coming to an end tomorrow you'd believe i say Bush is indeed a terrible man, he did unthinkable things and he should no longer be in office, we all turn our votes to the other person in office in a heartbeat without knowing the real truth about what happened. See, we live off of what we hear and what we hear turns into thinking whether it be negative or positive.
Some of the comments being made are just saddening…now wonder so many of us can't get ahead. We are so closed minded to anything other than jobs, which if you ask for an org chart at your company, it's clearly a pyramid…has your boss come up to you and told you that he'd like to help you get to where he is lately? I'm sure your answer is no… with Quixtar, we help other people succeed. Schools, that place full of promises, the “key to success” that keeps us broke for years is also a scheme to keep your money tied up in the system….to keep you going for years so you can continue owing uncle sam..THINK! I'm not bashing college, I'm college educated but If education is the key to success…why when we do get jobs do they promote “networking” (which is all we do), and not credentials anymore? Why are there layoffs, outsourcing & lower wages? Why can't college grads, even career professionals find jobs now? Why are marriages being torn apart due to the lack of this simple resource we call money? Why are our grandparents and ederly people going back to work?
Because everything we've been taught to depend is continuing to be proven wrong.
We have to think like the rich thinks not like the average person thinks…unless of course you're content with being “average”.
We'll never live the life we were purposely put on this earty to live if we don't stop prolonging and condoning ignorant thoughts and opinions that some of you who have posted messages have.
We ALL need a plan B because the financial and economic state of this world is dwindling every day and while some of us choose to use Quixtar as a means of providing income, many others won't but don't put us in a category of being bad people because of what we do.
Quixtar is a wonderful business and people say we make money off of people… don't you get referral bonuses for referring another person to work where you work? why is getting a bonus from referring another IBO into Quixtar wrong? there are incentives everwhere but why are incentives with Quixtar so taboo for some of you? It's a pyramid when you can never get above your “sponsor”. In Quixtar, you can make more money than the person who referred you, everyone starts at the same place, it's up to the individual how much money they want to make. How many times have you been told you'll get this and that for referring someone or passing a name or number to some entity or person? how many times have you been asked “how did you hear about us” puhleeeze… do you think the person who told you about something and had you go to or do something didn't get some sort of an incentive??… come with something better than that.
Secondly, it's been said that you spend more money on the tools than you make, ok, doesn't every business? Traditional business owners travel to conferences, pay for tools and equipment to keep their businesses profitable, why can't we? Corpations pay millions to send their employees here and there to keep them abreast on what they're functions are so why are Independant Business Owners wrong for investing in the part of the business that will help them the most?
There are other comments that I can't continue on because this is long enough but if you don't know the facts, keep your mouth shut and stay out of our business… we'll just continue to do what we've been doing… succeeding…it's as simple as that.
A business is a business, if you can't cut it, you'll do like every other person who tries to find every stupid excuse in the world to make anything outside of a 9-5 look bad do…. FAIL.
God bless Rich DeVos and the major corporations who have partnered with every IBO in this world for creating an EQUAL opportunity for whomever is willing to take their futures into their own hands.
I think I've typed enough…I could go on but I wanted to make it clear that whether you like it or not, Quixtar & it's IBO's will continue changing the lives, homes and futures of not only themselves but the lives and futures of the others they come in contact with. The business DOES work, I'm a living 23 year old success story who will never be bound to the ways and thoughts of this world any longer.
I'll be opening a more traditional business in the coming years and thanks to the Britt system, I have the mentality of a leader now and not a follower…had it before but it's even better thanks to the business.
Don't down a business that's in business to change lives. If behind closed doors dirt is being done, it will come to light but don't put the fate of other's lives in your hands by downing Quixtar if you don't fully, truly know what it's about and what's going on.
To those of you who have tried and failed, get back up and do SOMETHING. Don't let one bad experience or a business that didn't work for you cause you to inturn make others think it won't work for them and deter you from reaching your life goals.
God Bless you all -
One more thing, I'm a stickler about grammar and spelling so please the typos I was in a rush :o)
I think people should be aware of who they trust. Do a little research and make sure that the companies that you are willing to join, are actually true to their word. I would like for everyone to be rich in everyway but sadly, the world doesn't work like that. Some people are honest and others are not. I was approched by one of my friends about Quixstar. She kept presurring me into meetings and I would go but I'm glad I never joined. I didn't want to be like her: I didn't want to lose hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars. So again, just be aware of who you trust. You don't have to take my word…
So Tonya, you're saying that everyone who works 9-5 for a living is a failure? That's a load of crap.
Sorry Tonya, I do know the facts. One of which is this: Dateline did give Quixtar a chance to defend itself. The FACT of the matter is that Quixtar did a horrible job of doing just that. Why?
Because this business is 99.9% hype and .1% production. There's no way you can argue that fact.
By the way, did you know some of the happiest people on Earth go home with aches is their backs and dirt on their hands? If you keep thinking money is the key to comfort and happiness, then you are destined to live a truly shallow life.
Good luck recruiting your next victim.
Sorry, that's aches IN their backs, not is. You Quixtar people are infecting me.
To answer your question Kevin, no I'm not saying anyone working a 9-5 is a failure. I work a 9-5 right now too and will continue to not until I “go Diamond” but until one, I get to the point to where I don't love what I do anymore or two, I can't manage my other business properly due to lack of time.
Jobs are not bad, there are plenty of companies who offer awesome opportunities if working for 40+ years until retirement is ones goal. In this day and time though, I think many people are sadly mistaken if they go on with their careers thinking nothing will ever happen to them. Job security just as well as business success are risks that we just have to take…if you fall, get back up with a positive attitude and try again.
As far as the facts… There was no need for Quixtar to try and prove anything or go back and forth with Dateline. They would've tried to get their point across regardless so why comment??
The fact is: there are more people backing the business than people that are not and if the business was so bad why would so many companies allow us to endorse their products and services and give them a bad name?? The company will just continue to let the numbers and success rates speak for it and not worry about the media or anyone else.
I apologize to those of you who have come into contact with an IBO who did you wrong or who have witnessed the unethical actions of some but please know that every IBO is not bad. We don't hate you for not being in business with us… sometimes we just see so much potential in you, want to see you attain everything you want in life and truly believe that Quixtar is ONE avenue through which you can attain them…that's it. It may come off as otherwise from some IBOs but they'll get theirs trust me. They either won't sponsor people because of their bad ways, won't make money, or they'll quit…period. The bad apples are almost always weeded out but we're human just like you…we make mistakes just as you do but I'm really sorry some of you have the opinions that you have.
We're just franchising, just as Subway, McDonalds, SuperCuts, the NBA, the NFL…your favorite musical artists make money off off of the money YOU spend on THEIR albums… should I go on???? Everything we do in this world revolves around PEOPLE , the money they spend and the networks they have. Your job needs you to produce for them, the NBA needs players to produce for them, Quixtar has provided a way that people just like you and me can first, produce for themselves and find others who want to do the same and everybody wins.
Franchising is a PROVEN business model…it works, will continue to work and the millions of people franchising whether it be privately or publicly will continue to thrive on such an awesome idea.
The other fact is – IT'S NOT FOR EVERBODY so let's just continue to disagree and at the same time be successful at something ok?
-one
Oh yeah and by the way, I don't recruit… I find WINNERS.
People who just like me can withstand the nonsense on this website and know what Quixtar and the Britt, Yeager, and whatever teams out there are is all about are winners. Winners know that in everything you do, there will ALWAYS be negative, opposing, uninformed people who will try and turn you away from something that will only make you better down the road.
Those of you checking the business out, get off this site and go talk to the person who's either going to or has sponsored you. Why am I here? I wanted to catch up on the true “HYPE” about Quixtar so that I'll be able to forewarn my winners about the stuff that people are saying…turns out to be the SAME OLD STUFF but don't be afraid, make sure the person you're working knows about what you're reading, ask questions but if your gut's telling you that something's right about it, before you even register, ask if you can just stick around the team before you even sign up so you can continue to get a feel for what's going on once you know that you know that everything's Kosher, go for it! SOME may walk away but many will stay and make the business work for them without letting stuff like this cause them to miss out on a good thing.
This site holds all of the negative you'll ever hear from any one else's mouth so the worst part is already over. If this didn't get to you trust me, nothing else will now get out there, build your business and get ready for a fruitful and exciting journey!!
You continue to tell supporters of Quixtar to not visit this negative site. Yet you yourself cannot stop posting on the very thing you tell your minions to avoid. Why? Because you're trained to defend Quixtar. There can be no other answer.
Oh, and by the way, have you read most of the postings on this site? That should give you an idea that there are far more people that do not back “the business” than people who do. Peace.
And the funny thing is that this isn't even really a website for discussing Quixtar. It's just the weblog of a guy who made a comment about Quixtar two years ago. Most of the people who have been posting comments in this thread aren't even regular readers of his blog (but check it out…there's a lot of great posts here that have nothing to do with Quixtar). It's obvious that Quixtar supporters search out the web looking for places to defend their savior. It seems like a strange way to spend time to me.
OK, I just spent an hour and a half reading everything on this page, and yeah, I guess I was looking for some pros and cons about everything called quixtar. I only have one thing to say. Honeslty, all that I want is to not have to worry about money anymore. I'm sick of it, its just stupid green peices of paper that hold you a place, or level if you will, in life. I have been an IBO for about 3, maybe 4 months. I have another full time job that pays horrible, and my rent where I live is insanly high. I have made no money with quixstar. But I have not had the chance or the time to put into my business. The truth is, I don't have the resources needed to make it right now, but I don't want to give up. I do want to suceed. regardless of what I have to do to get it done. And I like quixstar. So here it is… All typed out for you. If you want something in life, or even Need something. You gotta do what you need to do. I am to the point where I need money to get money. so if somebody out there wants me to make them money, thats fine, but I need that money first. I am all for quixtar, but I have nothing to offer, thats how I feel anyways. I'm done now, thats my part, if you would like to email me, cool, friends are hard to come by. Good luck to the world —Ben
How can you tell that Quixtar is bad news? They tell you not put anything into your head that's going to cause you to be thinking outside your positive role.
TRanslation: No TV, no reading of newspapers, no getting any kind of information of anything not related to Quixtar.
I don't know about you guys, but this sounds like Joseph Goebbels style tactics to me. Whenever an organization of any kind wants you to stop being informed about anything, that means they are up to no good.
If you see all of your friends joining quixtar, or your family joining quixtar, or your co-workers joining quixtar, don't you realize that people are willing to try it despite the negative? They obviously joined under someone. If you had asked them first, they would be in your business and you could be making some extra cash. You just regret saying no because you see now what you could have been. HERE'S A TIP — there will always be stupid people in the world, and if you put them into your downline, you'll be wealthy, just like the people who sponsor you tell you. All the people who are signing up these days aren't stupid; you are for not signing them up yourself. Do you think it will stop? Get real. The people who sign people up are the ones making all the money — you act like you can't sign people up! THAT'S WHAT THEY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO!!!
And some data from amquix.info quote: 1. 67.7% of IBOs who registered in 2001, did not renew in 2002.
The average IBO had just 0.23 members and clients registered.
Only 18.4% of IBOs registered even one person.
The average IBO had 38.5 PV/month. (100PV is shown in the plan)
65.6% of IBOs never once attained 100 personal PV in the previous 11 months.
21.5% of IBOs had a ditto delivery profile
Only 1.9% of Members and Clients had ditto delivery profiles.
The average PV point cost $2.70.
Daniel Jones, I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
First of all, I would like Matt for keeping this website up. Thanks. It is great to be able to come and read peoples opinions.
I have recently been approached to join Quixtar, but before I made a decision, I wanted to read up on some facts of the company, and read some opinions of people. There hasn't been anything that has pursuaded me into thinking that this is the thing to do.
There are very few people in this world that get rich quick on little input, with very few hours. But Quixtar, and others, make it sound like they have found the way to “get rich quick.” If that was the case, how come more people don't do it?
One thing I do find curious, is that with all of the postings from people who are Pro-Quixtar, none of them were willing to share how much income they make each month, (ie. post how much $ they spent compared to how much $ came in). I didn't see anyone that came back each month to say, “Hey, I made this much..” (not that I would believe them, anyway).
It is time for them to look for someone else, because I am not “biting.”
I think you made a good decision, Lucia. There's plenty of real opportunities that don't have all the controversy around them. Controversy alone is a red flag in business.
Have you also noticed that most pro-Quixtar people who have posted on this thread don't include their e-mail adresses? That's another reason to be suspicious.
Hmmm…. Good point, Drew. Yes, it all sends up some red flags.
Drew…Lucia…I love you guys.
Lucia, Drew, Kevin, check this out. Unlike pro-Quixtar people, anti-Quixtar people CAN provide HARD FACTS:
My friend is in Quixtar and he allowed me to go to the site and put 21 items in my cart. I printed out the Order Detail with costs. With my printout and a pencil in hand, I headed to my local Wal-Mart to do some “comparison shopping.”
And here is what I found:
(The prices are for equal quantities/usage)
QUIXTAR's (Q) prices are first, followed by the same or similar Wal Mart (W) product:
Q–Satinique shampoo $15.00 W–Infusium 23 shampoo $6.63 Q–Satinique mousse 6.30 W–L'Oreal mousse 2.94 Q–Satinique spritz 7.30 W–L'Oreal spritz 2.94 Q–Body Series lotion 9.10 W–Caress body lotion 4.92 Q–Body Series deoderant 4.60 W–Secret deoderant 1.97 Q–SA8 detergent 18.15 W–Cheer Complete 14.94 Q–Pursue toilet bowl cleaner 4.10 W–Lysol toilet bowl cleaner 1.83 Q–9to5 coffee bricks 22.50 W–Folgers Classic coffee bricks 5.94 Q–Kellogg's pop tarts 10.36 W–Kellogg's pop tarts 5.94 Q–Critic's Choice Krch. Raisin 11.92 W–Kellogg's Raisin Crunch 7.50 Q–Nutripet dog food 54.60 W–Iam's dog food 35.52 Q–Glister toothpaste 3.90 W–Crest toothpaste 1.97 Q–SA8 fabric softener 18.40 W–Downy fabric softener 12.96 Q–Meadowbrook bath tissue 23.00 W–Angel Soft bath tissue 8.54 Q–Meadowbrook paper towels 18.40 W–So-Dri paper towels 7.50 Q–Meadowbrook facial tissue 24.84 W–Kleenex facial tissue 22.26 Q–Meadowbrook napkins 23.00 W–Mardi Gras napkins 16.40 Q–Kozy Kids diapers (disc) 13.80 W–Luvs diapers 8.97 Q–Natural Ice lip balm 13.50 W–Natural Ice lip balm 11.64 Q–Body Series antibacterial soap 4.70 W–Dial antibacterial soap 1.47 Q–Debut(feminine product) 36.80 W–Name brand… 23.28
Total Quixtar/IBO cost: $330.47 Quixtar shipping: $29.20 GRAND TOTAL/QUIXTAR (w/o tax): $359.67
GRAND TOTAL/WAL-MART: $206.06
So even WITHOUT shipping, Quixtar is 38% more expensive. With shipping, Quixtar is 43% more expensive.
And the PV/BV I would have earned with Quixtar is:
94.82PV 214.00BV
94 freaking points!?!? That's it? And after spending so much more. Once again, I repeat, the above comparisons are for equal quantities/usages!
Now, I did the same type of comparison shopping for Costco and the results were the same. Costco was so much cheaper.
So, does anyone need anymore proof of this Quixtar scam?
OMG, JMJ. Now that's quite some facts! Thanks for all of your time to compare the prices, and post it here.
You guys are great!
JMJ, you are the man of the hour. Good stuff!
If you, or one of your friends, is approached by someone claiming they have a “small business opportunity” that they thought you would be perfect for because you “looked ambitious”, chances are they are on the Quixtar bandwagon. This is especially true if they claim they are about to “retire” or if they say that they can only discuss the details of this “small business” if you attend a 1-hour introduction. Most people I have met never reap the benefits of this because most people believe that it is a scheme. Remember, if you are asked to sign up under a Quixtar member, you are essentially working for them (unless of course you try to sign up others using Quixtar). I know this because I have personally been approached by Quixtar independent sellers trying to sell their wares on several occasions. They just have never told me what they are associated with until I agree to meet them. Sounds pretty shady…does it not? Unless you have a burning desire to harass others with the intention of “making money”….you might want to try something else.
By the way…the above email is fake just in case these Quixtar knuckleheads want to email me with their stupid complaints!
I just changed the first link in this post. The original one was broken.
Hey JMJ, My boyfriend is in Quixtar and he insists that the items you have down for walmart are not the same in ounces or quantity as what you'd get from Quixtar. When I read your post I assumed that whatever size you chose on Quixtar was the same size you chose at Walmart? Am I correct?
Are you in a business to save money or to move volume? Does Bill Gates run and buy Lotus programs every time they go on sale for his computers, I don't think so. You have no business since what so ever. The plan is volume. You don't buy to save money. Show me one person who clipped coupons and is rich today. It's so funny reading these headings. I'm sure I'll be reading that college is a rip off since so many people did not graduate. Maybe it's the people and not the system. Oh by the way, read last weeks Fortune Magazine and you will see names like Warren Buffet, who believes in this industry. Do you have Warren Buffet money? Wake up and stop complaining every time you lose, that you were cheated! At least go to your job and work hard so that your retirement will be about half of what your salary is now. I'm an IBO and I have only helped others on their financial path to freedom. If you can receive a penny off of every dollar you have spent in your life, have much extra cash would you have??? Again, GM does not sell cars to get them cheaper for the family or the workers. You do not do this business to get things cheaper, although it's funny on the items you chose, because we are cheaper in some other areas, but you chose not to display those items. Also everything is in BULK. If you are going to put out information tell the entire truth, not just parts!
P.S. The scam that you talk about is supported by: Office Max; Circuit City; Disney. COM; MCI; Sprint: Verizon; Cingular Wireless; ATT; Nextel; Craftsman Tools; Bass Pro Shop; The Golf Warehouse; JOANN fabrics and hundreds of other companies.
It's still a scam.
Mark, I'm wondering what kind of support those companies give to Quixtar. You also implied that Warren Buffet believes in Quixtar. Are there any websites you can refer me to that will describe his views on the matter? Thanks.
Warren Buffets's views where taken out of Fortune Magazine August 7th edition. As far as the support question by the partner stores, it's like any other business, the more volume you move, the more money you make. You probably have a local grocer who sell can goods. Do you think that grocer makes more money on their name brand or on the brands that says libby's and green giant. Nonetheless, they move all three. As far as the scam comment, I guess college is a scam as well!
Mark, you prove once again that Quixtar IBO's cannot support their claims with hard evidence or properly put together a sentence. Drew asked you a simple question which you answered with another vague Quixtar response. Tell me how college is more of a scam than Quixtar and support it with hard facts (these are facts, not speculations I'm asking for here) and maybe I'll believe you. But for now, I think I'll just go into corporate America where at least I'll be making enough to pay the bills. $1,400.00 per year just doesn't sound to appealing to me. So keep defending your sacred Quixtar society all you want, but you know the lies you perpetuate. Live with that, Buffetboy.
I went to the websites of all the companies that Mark mentioned. I don't see that any of them are claiming to support Quixtar in any manner.
I don't have ready access to the August 7th Fortune, but I'd really like it if someone could excerpt Warren Buffet's comments here…just the parts where he said positive things about Quixtar would be good.
Kevin and Drew,
I have no reason to lie, I don't care if you want to be an owner are not. As far as Drew's comment on going on to the mentioned companies sites, why would they mention Quixtar. That's like other companies mentioning Amazon.com. As far as Drew question, I would only refer him to go to Quixtar and log on “free”, that means no cost and go to the partner stores. You will see the companies I have stated. As far as my college statement, there are a lot of people who do not graduate from college, does that mean college does not work or that person did not work. We must put in work to be successful. Again, I need no reason to lie or decieve. People can research the information fully and draw conclusions for themselves. I wish you guys the best.
I want to make QUIXTAR, hope the friend who does QUIXTAR gets in touch with me , MSN: silence801022@hotmail.com
Mark, send me info on Quixtar please. I want to be independent business man in U.S.A.
I never thought Mark was lying. I just think he's been misguided. I asked simple questions and received very vague answers. There is no way I am going to register on a website for a company that Dateline has already exposed as a questionable business, at best. If those companies or Warren Buffet supported Quixtar in any way, it would be widely publicized…not just on Quixtar's website. Neither Mr. Buffet or those companies are going to risk their reputations and money by supporting a scam.
And, to Wong, this site is somebody's weblog. Mark gave his e-mail address above. You should contact him that way. Maybe Quixtar will sponsor you to become an independent businessman in the U.S.A. Good luck.
Just wanted to point out that the Quixtar brain-washing machine must still be primed and working at full capacity. There is no Fortune Magazine dated August 7, with or without a quote from Mr. Buffett.
On the offhand chance your upline gave you erroneous information, I also checked Forbes. Nothing there but articles ridiculing Quixtar.
Life is lonely when you've managed to annoy, anger or just plain piss of your friends and family chasing a scam. Good Luck.
And the bell tolls once more.
When I was first introduced to Quixtar, I did not want to join because I thought it was a joke, amway thing. That was my sister. Well I joined up under my boyfriend and he was under a different group then my sister was. It is a great organization, My sister's group has poor mentorship compared to my bofyfriend's group. You just have to find the right people to sponsor you.
But you see, it still is a joke, Amway thing.
Just one thing, to all of you who believe in Amway/Qixtar… I have a bridge I'd like to show you. To all of you who dont believe… wanna help me sell some bridges?
SUP ALL
LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT QUICKSTAR , 1.ITS NOT A SCHEME 2.PEOPLE WHO CALL THIS A PYRAMID SCHEME ARE IDIOTS. 3.NOTHING PERSONAL BUT THEY ARE IDIOTS. 4.I WAS INTRODUCED INTO THIS BUSINESS BY SOMEONE ELSE AND GUESS WHAT IM MAKING MUCH MORE THAN THAT PERSON. 5.A BUSINESS OWNER GETS PAID ON A DIFFERENTIAL 6.SO IF I DO ALL THE WORK AND MY UPLINE DOESENT I GET ALL THE MONEY AND HE GETS VERY LITTLE. 7.THE SYSTEM WORKS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ACHIEVERS NOT FOR WHO ARE IDIOTS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE DONT EVEN WANT PEOPLE LIKE 8. STICK TO UR DEAD END JOB AND WORK FOR THE REST OF UR LIFE. 9.HAVE FUN GETTING UP AT 8 AND COMING BACK AT 5 BUT GUESS WHAT IM GONNA BE SLEEPING AND IN A NICE DREAM 10 FINISH IT OFF HOW ABOUT U WORK AND I GET PAID BECAUSE I BET SOMEONE U KNOW OR U WORK FOR IS INVOLVED IN THIS BUSINESS.
No comment needed.
There's so many things I could say here that I can't decide where to begin, so I'll just agree with Matt.
Ummm…yeah. Matt, you're right.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/
unfortunately i am seeing a friend fall for this. Anyone thinking of doing this please go to the above website AND READ FROM A VERY REPUTABLE SOURCE about this stuff. I don't ever plan on coming back here again so all you cult members feel free to insult me.
Thanks Sean. That is the Dateline interview you posted, but a good post nonetheless.
You are all truly idiots! Posting any email on this page will result in a bot finding it and using it for spam. Thats besides the fact that the scripts on this site are infecting computers with malware, adware and encrypted drop files. One my first visit to this idiots website, I traced and verfied these adware programs which were installed on my clean machine in less than 8 seconds. The funny thing is, I came here looking for results on fighting spam. I wasnt planning on giving up my entire address book.
vx2(Transponder) TvMedia Targetsoft Sidefind Served by Ad cookie Roings search inhancement Purity scan Powerscan Peper Trojan Multidial Moneytree Minigolf Mindset Interactive Memory Watcher 1st bar Internet Optimizer
Spam increases each day thanks to idiots like you people. Lets not leave out the website owner. He probably worked will Alan, just look in your temp files if you dont believe me
I'm sure if the website owner wasn't on vacation now, he would respond to this. In the meantime, I would like to say that I've learned not to believe very much that's written in this thread.
I've been reading and posting on this weblog for a long time. I always show my e-mail address, and get no spam because of it. I also run adware search programs regularly, and have never found anything that was a result of Matt's website.
I do nothing of the sort, You Truly Suck. Leaving your e-mail address on anywhere on the web will lead to spam. I suggest that your problems are due to using IE 6 and Windows 98.
Quixtar works, if you confuse the old door to door system with the most powerful network developping opportunity, very bad day for you, there is a trend called affiliate marketing program, referring people has never been a pyramide, my downline is doing great and making more money than me big times, an opportunity to start with such a low price, the backup of big names that will never dare to be associated with a scheme company, if i say that Office Max, Circuit city, MCI, Visa, the disney store, Nascar store, IBM, dell and many others are Quixtar partners, there has to be something right, Quixtar is to control the web thanks to people like you and me, and if you still dream that job security exists, get real before you get hit with a 4by4 when you reach 40 years old. Quixtar is the way baby
They should invent some sort of punctuation to go at the end of a sentence because it's very hard to read without one maybe just a dot or something would work just so you know when to take a breath while reading you know what I mean
You are so right, Drew. I am out of breath just reading Hicham.
I am still amazed that after all of the extensive exposure on the web and the recent Dateline story that there would be any dopes left to promote this sham of a “business.”
For those still chasing after that “diamond,” you will make out better investing in stocks that dumping your funds into mind bending shit that will only stuff the pockets of the hideously greedy at the top.
I will be glad when this entire thing dries up and those left, particluarly at the upper echelons, will be locked up and the money returned to all those that endured needless suffering and humiliation, all in the name of “chasing a dream!”
Hicham…is that really your name?
Well, it looks like we have stumbled upon quite a controversy here. Maybe my two cents can help add a little insight to this scheme (or scam, whatever word you like) that has caused everyone to get their underwear in a wad.
First of all, I just want to say that the grammar usage and spelling you people use is atrocious. That goes for Quixtar and non-Quixtar people alike. Hell, I grew up in Arkansas and do not speak or write in such awful terms.
Anyway, first of all, this opinion is not totally unfounded. I have recently been approached about joining Quixtar/BWW and becoming my own IBO. Let me also add that I also recently graduated with a master's degree in economics. Remember that last sentence as you read further. As Quixtar members and supporters like to point to those who are currently sitting on millions and millions of dollars as proof of success, I offer my degree, particularly in the field obtained, as proof I am not an ignorant individual. See any misspellings thus far? I digress.
My first point would be to acknowledge that there are people, and evidently more than just a few, who have become quite wealthy using this system. That is point number one. However…let me say that with more emphasis. HOWEVER, there is not an inexhaustible supply of people and money to encompass the masses so to speak. So you have the opportunity to make more than your sponsor? That is supposed to remove the pyramid tag from this scheme (scam), right? Tell me again though that one of your main tasks is to constantly approach people about doing business on Quixstar, becoming an IBO on their own, and then recruiting people as well. Eventually you run out of people. Thus, the majority of wealth stays at the top, making it a pyramid business structure, whether a traditional one or not. So right now you are thinking, “This guy has a master's degree and that is the most intelligent thing he has to say.” Let me keep going. If you have made it this far, you have the patience for a couple more points.
My next contention is this. What makes the people with Quixstar and BWW think that they have the stranglehold on e-commerce. If any of you ever get time, please do a Google search or buy a book about Porter's Five Forces Analysis. It won't make you millions, but it's much more informative and educational than the motivational and instructive cds and tapes Quixstar will put out. Any successful business plan will be copied, and in this wonderful capitalist society in the United States, which Quixstar so aptly fits, market penetration for e-commerce will most likely reach critical mass very soon as they like to say. However, Quixstar won't be the only dog under the porch on a hot August afternoon if you get my drift. Other internet companies will rise up that rival what Quixstar does. It's the basis of economics. They damn sure don't have a patent on what they do. Even if they did, the laws and regulations of this country would only allow it to be capitalized on for up to 19 years. Follow me on this because I'm taking a page out of their own mouths when I say this. Let me quote something said at a meeting I attended. “I hope you are following me because this is so simple.” What I'm about to say is very simple, so I'd advise you to pay attention whether you hate Quixstar, are thinking of joining, or have joined and even enjoying moderate success. When e-commerce takes off and several companies emerge that become better than Quixstar at their own game, they will lose business. Let me repeat for those who are deaf or skimming along. THEY WILL LOSE BUSINESS. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but much of their support comes from clients who only want to shop and not become a rigid IBO with a tough business plan and put business ahead of friends and all else. Once those point values, or book values if you will, dwindle, what is left? Only the IBOs. And I would venture a guess several of them would have bruised loyalties if their income is diminished considerably. My apologies for not being more laconic, but this is not an easy thing to describe in a few sentences. If you are considering joining the Quixstar fleet but this message helps you obviate your association with the company and its members, I am glad to be of some help. If you have enjoyed succes and deny what I've said or what I'm about to say, may you have the best of luck in your business venture and God's speed as well. My “9-5″ hell is okay with me. It's actually a well-deserved, good-paying, and ENJOYABLE job. I typically go in at 7:30 just to let you know.
Anyway, my last point of this, and it ties directly into the last one. This is where I see even those who are currently enjoying success being led astray. How many of you out there would quit your job and sign a contract saying you wouldn't work for the rest of your lives if I gave you 1 million dollars tomorrow? Hopefully none of you would do that. And you know why? Because 1 million dollars today (or tomorrow) is nothing. Let me repeat. NOTHING! Those middle-men, as I like to call them, are getting burned by this. These are the ones who weren't high enough up to get filthy rich (20+ million) and actually be able to retire and do nothing. Nor are they the ones at the bottom sucked in who have no hope of ever making more than $500 in any given month. No, these are the ones who have hit diamond or platinum or some other precious metal and actually have a little something to show for their efforts. They may have hit a big bonus or two and are watching their income creep up steadily. They have retirement on their mind in about three to five years because this thing is not terminal (in their minds) and the income stream will follow them to the grave. Thus, they are getting away from their teaching job (I have found it odd that so many involved in this are “teachers”) and putting their faith in this business that I'm telling you will fade at some point in the future. Actually, I'm not telling you. The laws of economics dictate it will happen. As sure as death, taxes, and God Almighty, you can rest assured that Quixstar WILL NOT be a Mount Everest with all other businesses, particularly e-businesses, in the valley. An extra $100,000 a year looks goood now and for the next five to ten years, but when that runs out, it quickly goes to zero.
They use the term critical mass often. Supposedly we are six to twelve months from hitting it, and according to them, you don't want to wait that long. Here's a news flash. Critical mass for making multiple millions on this scheme ended with the first instructional and motivational seminar. It's funny how Donald Trump, Bill Gates, the Waltons, and several other entrepreneurs with lucrative enterprises aren't so quick to “help” build you and your fortune. My apologies for such an insipid interlude but discussing business isn't always pretty. Hopefully, if you read my piece, you have been given more insight into what Quixstar is about. It's not rocket science; just applied business and economics principles.
Any feedback on the subject, particularly what I've written would be well received. Hopefully, whether you are in Quixstar/BWW or not, you pride yourself on hard work and strive to make honest achievements in life that do not take advantage of another human being. Take care and best wishes. God bless…
For those of you who skipped over my original post because of its length, I'll be more terse but say the same thing. Quixtar is a scam. Beyond that, it is a hoax and an illusion. Greedy businessmen at the top of the corporate ladder weren't satisfied with what they had so they developed a way to make more. By making a few “grunts in the field” semi-rich in the process, they have people believing Quixtar is the city of golden streets. There's animal fodder littering those streets, however. If you come across an opportunity to join and use Quixtar (and this is coming from a composed and balanced guy), your best bet is to keep walking and pretend you never heard the name.
Oh, by the way, I didn't mention this above. For those Quixtar animals who gloat about success (but won't give us hard facts) and how much of a hell the rest of us have. Here are my FACTS! I'm 24 years old and 5 months removed from college. I make roughly $44,700 and expect a 2.5% pay increase the next fiscal year. Work is enjoyable and never holds me up over 42-44 hours a week. I receive almost 5 weeks paid vacation with ample holidays, good benefits, and a retirement plan that is unmatched. It's not Warren Buffetesque, but I go to bed at night with a clear conscience and pride in a hard day's work instead of keeping my fingers crossed that all of my “members” and “clients” keep shopping on a flash-in-the-pan internet retail outlet. Just thought you should know…
Good work, Mark. You've impressed me and, for the time being, shut those Quixtar IBO's up.
Thanks, Kevin.
well after being approached by a guy yesterday about quickstar, and how I could be making 2000-3000 dollars a month I was skeptical. And I still am skeptical, I can understand that you can make money off of others losses, but for eveyperson to make 2000$ a month and only spend 250$ proves that someone hasto be getting screwed in order for the company to work. And ofcourse the people you screw are the people you care about because you tell them how good it is. I would just like to know, how can everyone make 10x what they spend, the company cant give out 10x as much money as it gets. It can not be possible for everyone to accomplish this financial freedom, and I would like to know how quickstar can explain this is possible.
I have recentlly been approached by Excel Communications and showed their buisness plan. What they said to me is that the first thing we do is set up a few customers to get ourselves points and then we go out an begin recruiting. They sey us up with 3 recruits and we help them get customers and once they get 2 customer points we get 100 then when they get 10 customer points we get another 100. Then for every person that they bring in we make 10 per person. Then we get move dup in postion status and do the same thing but with 125 dollar raise on all the recent values and you do the same thing as b4. Then yuou move up another postion and u get another raise and ur values go up. I have joined the company and i want to know if i am caught in a bad pyramid scheme that will make me lose money cause if so I am calling the guy and telling him i dont want to do it. PLease e-mail me back i am lost and concerned Thanks Russ
I forgot to include that to earn customer points u have to sell one of their products. Lond distance plan, local phone plan, xm radio, internet, and cell phones and that is it and that is how u earn ur points. I had never heard of a pyramid scheme until i talked to my mom about it and she freaked cause she went through it but i have already signed on with the company…i have talked to alot of ppl in the company some ppl that have been their for 7 years, some 5, some 2, some 2months, some a week and they all say they get paid what they say they do. Is this a trap..please help me somebody Thanks Russ
Get out now, Russ. It doesn't sound good.
hey Russ, I called the BBB today along with the city and the BBB says that it is BORDERLINE with being illegal and that I should report it to the police and the international fraud company. still, how can everyone that spends 250 a month make 3000 a month, the company cant give out ten times as much money as it gets, so atleast 10 people must get screwed for every one person that does well.
Heyguys it seems to me like you just want many the easy way. I certainly can't believe you dont have VISION. VISION is what you need
What?
Vision is what you need, Matt! ;-)
That reminds me…I need to get to the opthalmologist soon.
Oh my God, I can't see. I've been blinded by the Quixtar lies. I guess if I had VISION I'd be able to see right past them to know what kind of scumbags you people really are.
YOU ALL HAVE WAY TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. PREVIOUS AMWAY DISTRIBUTOR(ALSO KNOWN AS QUIXTAR)
Apparently all of you that are dissing Quixtar don't know nothing about it, and don't want to take the chance to learn it. You all are afraid to leave your comfort zone of life, and work for a boss the rest of your lifes where we are our own bosses, set our own hours, and get paid to go shopping. It takes a real man to leave his comfort zone of life, instead of being like babies like the rest of you, we took the risk, and it paid off, where we are/will be living wealthy whily you are still living pay check to pay check, and not willing to make the change. So please reconsider your options.
I was just introduced to Quixtar a few nights ago and I must say that it does sound very promising. I won't be quiting my day job anytime soon, but if I don't give this a shot and all my friends get rich with this I will be kicking myself in the nuts hardcore
Hey Ann – Where do you get off assuming that people who get paid regularly from a company live paycheck to paycheck? I do pretty well for myself. Also, I don't think it's very fair of you to call people like me, who isn't willing to risk my livelihood on a sca- I mean “real career” – a baby.
If you're happy in your choice, good for you. But don't condemn me for mine.
I agree, Jenn. I've noticed a lot of people involvled with Quixtar who post comments on this thread have the opinion that if you're not with them, you're not happy with your life. It must be part of the Quixtar brainwashing that was mentioned by others here and exposed on NBC Dateline.
I do agree with one thing….quixtar needs to understand that just because someone isnt in the business dosnt mean that they arnt happy. I am going to go try it out, but I definately agree that they are wrong in assuming that people not in the business will never be happy. However people do make lots of money off the system, so it has to work somehow. I am not going to accuse everyone that didnt try it of being stupid though….because it was proobly the right choice for them.
Incredible!
WOW. I can't believe it. Well, Eric, I commend you for being considerate to those who may not agree with you. It's a lot more than I've done on this thread. ;-) Anyway, be careful with trying this out. Don't let them fool you with delusions of grandeur.
This is what I do to the Pyramid schemer – setup a meeting with them and never show up… let those morons wait. Whole bunch of indians are into this business cult.
What I don't appreciate is how the “recruiter” refuses to tell you anything about the business. That is enough to raise my radar. Luckily, when the guy who recruited me called to have me talk to his “Sponsor” I had my laptop. After pumping him for information he gave me the directions to the hotel where the presentation would be made and told me to look for the BWW Business Seminar sign. I immediately did a Google search and voila! Scam uncovered.
What gets on my nerves with these “recruiters” is that they can give their hook using nothing but sensationalism and profess intergrity doing it. Yet, these same people, when pressed for hard information, will attempt to play on your emotions (guilt trips) what you are to expect if you don't join the organization.
If they had any type of sense, they would realize that any real company, corporation or enterprise will have a compendium that ALL are expected to follow. Instead, at least when I was introduced, to disregard what ScAmway made available in the kits and listen exclusively to upline.
What's more, smart companies will implement budgets based on practical present and forecasted needs. People in this scam will have you buy strictly on emotion…get it, or you will not get any help to build your “business.”
Given the thousands of web pages devoted to this topic and reading the posts of ex-IBOs, I concluded these people are a hell of a lot happier out of the sham than they were in.
Have any of you people that are talking shit about this company ever really tried it out and gave it your all. Or are all of you just speaking from what you have heard from other people. If you have never tried this company and don't know anything about it then it's probably best just to keep your opinions to yourself. If on the otherhand you actually have tried this program and you did give it your all and for some reason things just didn't work out for you, then excellant tell other not to make the same mistakes that you made. But if you are just talking shit because of what you have heard from other people, then that is just plain sad.
I have never tried crack cocaine, but if I'm asked, I'm going to advise against using it. I've never jumped out of an airplane without a parachute, but I would tend to not recommend it. I've never been involved in a pyramid scheme, but I'm certainly not seeking out an IBO to sign me up.
iv been in quixtar for about 10mths and iv got a few under me. i get a check every mth sometimes little other times more depends on what i decide to do .i have clients and members that are very happy. they don't have to go out in the rain,snow or whatever to get thier stuff. and if they don't like it they send it back for a full refund,nothing wrong with that. have a good life im going too.
imactually a part of quixtar! i went to a tax broker, a lawyer the federal trade comission,the better business burea, everyjob every work place is a sca! itshowmuchworkyou put into it! i work 5-10 hoursaweek, andcurrentllymake about 5000 a month! im only in my fourth month! who cares if its a scam! your all talkin big but soon ill bemakin 150,000 a year! what do you make? how many hours do you work? you all ask what if it falls through! well simplyinvestotherplaces! do something! but if you have a good jobor as some like to say 4 good tires, why not put a spare in the trunk!!!! so all of you in it do what you want! if you dont like it they refund all your money!!! whatthe hell!!!
Company builds network of buyers. Sells mediocre products at high profit margins. Recruits more buyers through word of mouth with promises of riches. Only small % gets rich. The rest feed the pyramid. That small % is a select group with avenues to recruit hundreds or thousands of first level downline. If you are not one of these people, this is not for you.
Justin,
Quixtar is a derivative of the word “quixotic”
Quixotic means: -Impracticable -Impulsive -Unrealistic -Dreamy
Realistically, there is only one comment to be made about Quixtar, and every other Amway derivative out there…
If that shit wasn't so disturbingly pathetic, it would be uproariously funny. :-)
No matter how you analyze it, pyramid schemes are pyramid schemes; the art of preying on the poor greedy by the wealthy greedy.
So nu. Man de-evolves yet again.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS!!!! I am honestly begging everyone to not join Quixtar. Please this is for your own good and the good of others around you. Quixtar members: you can think I am ignorant all that you want, but TRUST me, I have heard it enough from my now ex boyfriend. I really want to help you. That is all. I am saying this on behalf of all the family members and significant others of Quixtar members. Please do not do this to the people you care about. Please do not let yourself becomed controlled by people that don't care about you, like your loved ones do. There is a reason that the famous Bill Britt says, “If they are not in the business, they are not your friends.” Please look at this…who says stuff like that? Obviously someone who wants control and doesn't want outside influences getting in the way. Why would you let someone tear you away from your loved ones and your life? I feel sooo strongly about telling people this, because I have been affected by it. My heart has been broken by ex boyfriend Quixtar IBO. This is a true warning, Quixtar does change your life….but not in such a good way. The person I used to know has become a lifeless, brainwashed, jerk. And that is just putting it plainly. My ex acts like a puppet, talking only as if making some speech, always using “Quixtar catch phrases” such as, “Fantastic, I'm Awesome, I'm fired up, etc….” It has sad to see this regression in personality.
To see this happen to someone I care about has hurt me so much and has mad me very angry towards Quixtar. Please do not allow random people to counsel you or make your decisions. Please at least think about this. I wish that everyone would listen. I couldn't help my bf, but I am hoping to help others before it is too late. The promise of money should never outweigh the price of your life. It is not worth it, I promise. If you have any questions about why I feel this way, please feel free to ask me.
Please visit my website for more info on why not to join Quixtar:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/GIPstopquixtar/post
Reasons why Quxtar/Amway sucks:
It is BARELY legal pyramid scheme because money is made by the recruitment of people, not the selling of a product.
The BIG money makers that lead conventions are only reach because you pay to go there and read their books hoping that they will help.
It becomes cult-like because relationships are destroyed by it and it crosses innapropriate boundaries. I would rather have a 9-5 job with ability to compartmentalize my work and have healthy relationships, then to begin to view everyone in my life as a potential prospect for a business plan that is built on deceit.
Lastly, I am a Christian, and am highly disgusted with the amount of productization that is done with the Bible and scripture in this business. This is the worst part because it takes advantage of well meaning people. YOUR JOB AND YOUR VOCATION IS MORE THAN JUST BEING A 'SLAVE'. IT IS YOUR PURPOSE, YOUR MINISTRY, AND SHOULDN'T BE TOSSED ASIDE JUST BECAUSE THE WHIM OF GETTING RICH QUICK COMES ALONG. I have a big problem with the way MLM's devalue hard work and make you think that its for losers. If you don't like your job, go to school or look into something else. Find out who you are and what makes you happy. You don't have to join a brainwashing pyramid scheme.
I just joined QUIXTAR just so someone would shut the fuck up and it cost me 135 to join.
HOW DO I GET OUT OF BEING A MEMBER OF THIS FUCKEN CULT. I PAID 135 TO GET IN AND I WANT OUT AFTER ONE DAY OF BEING IN IT EVERYONE WARNED ME ABOUT IT BUT I JOINED TO GET SOMEONE OFF MY FUKEN BACK
Can someone involved in quixtar answer the following questions:
1) Why do quixtar uplines encourage IBO's to stop watching television, listen to radio or read magazines?
2) Why do uplines encourage IBO's to ignore friends and family that aren't interested in paying more money than necessary for products.
3) If this business model is so successful, why do very few employees make money. I know of no company where employees pay to work there or post a net loss after working there for 1 hour, much less months. Every single employee of every true business gets a paycheck!!
4) Why does quixtar have to rely on motivational speakers and rah-rah meetings to keep their employees?
5) If being an IBO is owning your own business, when you want to retire or just quit the business, who can you sell your business to? How much is it worth? Where can you sell it? Who would buy it??
I have more questions, but I'd like to a get a few answers first.
Steve
Anytime anyone tries to do something POSITIVE and not OF THE NORM, there will ALWAYS be crabs that will try to rob you of your goals and dreams. Watching T.V., listining to the radio, and reading magizines are all things enjoyed. But truth be told, most of these activities do not help to better ones self. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A HARD WORKER, GOING TO SCHOOL, WORKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE, ETC. FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE BEING AN EMPLOYEE, MORE POWER TO YOU! SOMEONE HAS TO DO THE JOB!
All,
Very much worth looking into. It is a book called Merchants of Deception, produced by a former IBO. Because of the revealing nature of the book, ScAmway's lawyers are looking to get it pulled from the web very soon. It is currently available for free on amquix.info (or do a dogpile search for it).
Given the bit I have read thus far, it is true to form the manner of deception these brainwashers use to seperate gullible people from their money, including the use of scripture.
It is a print out of over 315 pages, but it is WELL worth the read.
Steve,
If you examine the “arguments” from the proponents of this scam, they will aloways do so from the cliche-ish, emotional point of view.
This is more so now, because all manner of “hard, factual” number information has been proven false for what it is, simply by implementing what they direct their groups to do.
Beucase there is a strong countenance against this sham and the opposing side can be more convincing to get people out, they push people to not read, watch TV and engage in conversations that are not somehow tied into promoting this sham further.
Because this thing has been run entirely on hype and designed only for the top, chosen few to profit, many of the questions you ask reagrding long-term functioning and transferring the “business” was never built.
To “Mr. Dumbass”: Many people are pressured into joining quixtar. That is actually a sales technique used when they “sell the business” to you. The best part is that you realize you need to get out of it. As long as you realize that, it is not too late. I recommend doing anything you can too immediately remove yourself from quixtar. I will also tell you that from experience, your “upline” will give you many reasons why you should stay. Just be strong and remember that this is NOT something good to be involved with. No matter what they say, people who are not in quixtar ARE successful (prob far more than they are too in most cases). It is best to get out as soon as possible. Say you want your money back and run. You still have time….so go!!
I've been away for a while, but I'm back. To those who do not believe, I understand and I recommend that you do not get involved. The only way a person can succeed in anything is by believing they can! Here are some suggestive readings on why I feel this way. Read Proverbs 13: 16&20, also Proverbs 23:9. As to the post by the economist, he could be right, but I would love to be in the position to find out, once everyone is buying on the net and my site is up and known, I'll take my chances. See I was not convinced, nor do I try to convince anyone to do anything. I read and did my homework and made my own decision, never let anyone convince you of anything, because after a day, you will change your mind and you need your own burning desire to succeed. All of us have a purpose; we just need to find what it is and how it will help others and ourselves. Lastly, to the post on how to get your money back, just call the 800# to Quixtar and they will refund all your money. The SIX-MONTH guarantee really exists.
Will they also refund all the monty wasted on books, tapes, and seminars sold by BWW and their ilk? My guess is that they won't.
Yes all the money you have spent on your business!! Which includes books and tapes. Read the agreement you signed. You did print yourself a copy?
I never fell into the trap in the first place.
i make so much money from quixtar too much to mention and if any body lost money from doing Quixtar i found call me call me 17845265454 more money
lol @ too much to mention!
i found all the money all the people lost in Quixtar Happy so happy. Call me and will tell you how to make it back 17845265454
Same phone number…same bad grammar…new name?? I would advise eveyone to save the cost of a long distance phone call.
Yep…there's only one Kevin on this thread…and he sure as hell isn't pro-Quixtar.
I was appoached on the street by a Quixtar guy telling me of a great opportunity. I ended up going to the meeting and the concept is quite nice. Everyone there was way to nice and they all asked who invited me. I now know it was to see if it will make them money in their chain lol. The whole “information session” seemed scripted so I did some research tonight after getting home and read “Merchants of Deception” and the exact same examples and format were used. I was told to sit in the front for the full brain washing event. I said I would go to the next meeting just to get out of there easy but noway! btw I was supposed to show up in full business attire lol. Wow what freedom from that corporate job!
Kurt, you did the right thing. I am nearly sone reading the book, and given the information referring to the mob-sytle killing and infiltration of those bold enough to speak out against them, this is a very hot item.
Anyone reading this book, finishing it and gets involved or stay involved with the scam has to be hideously stupid and w/o cause to live.
Just to follow up on my last comment. The guy called to confirm me going to the next big meeting and i said i wasn't going. He got upset and asked me why, to which i said it was a pyramid sceme. Why is this so? Because the products are expensive, they suck, and you have to pay for delivery. IBO have to purchase so much to get their points and for those above them monitoring. You can't sell other people these products, who would want to. So they get more and more suckers who think of the pyramid of other suckers they can get below them.
This guy was upset and reminded my of the presentation of a corporation with the CEO on top making the money off the bottom. To this i argued that each level in the business was doing tasks to finish the final product. Why would i want to sell products that the guy who signed my up for a fee gets a percentage? Its crazy. You can go on the internet and find many affiliate programs for cheaper better products with a fixed percentage for the sale.
Anyways he screamed at me that i'll be broke for the rest of my life and hung up lol. All in all it was an amusing experience and shed some light on human nature to me and will help me in future preditorial situations.
All i can say is stay away and put your time into representing products you believe in. Don't waste in a situation where you spend time coning people to follow in your footsteps.
Peace and theres more to life than money.
Hmmm….well isn't this odd? Quixtar has all the shares all the same traits as a recognized cult…let's take a look!!!
1.The group claims to have received special instructions from one or more “messengers from the sky.”
Quixtar:The following “conversation Dexter Yager had with God” is posted below. I figured it was too long to post but look for yourself. Can you say absolutely ridiculus??!!!(please take the time to look at this it will be well worth the laughs(if it weren't so incredibly sick), I promise
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/amwaygospel.htm
2.The group uses a special set of rules that you must obey or be cast out.
Quixtar: Quixtar has many rules which are merely passed off as “recommendations” in “the business”. (Even though I would hardly call them that.) These consist of things such as; always listen to your upline, buy tapes and cds to “help your business grow”, attend all meetings and functions(I like to call these brainwashing sessions),etc.
Quixtar: Hmmm..well anyone who is familiar with Quixtar should see the similarity here. Quixtar members..you can't argue with this one sorry!! Isn't that what happens in Quixtar, you get to live the “wonderful happy life you've always dreamed of”…but of course if you're not in Quixtar you will “surely be miserable and poor” Excuse me while I laugh hysterically. :)
Quixtar: They “recommend investing your extra money into Quixtar. They say it will “pay of in the end” and “you have to take risks to make millions” Well shouldn't you be investing all of your extra money into “your business”? Of course!!! I mean if you don't waste..sorry I mean “invest” all that money into the purchasing of cds and meetings, how will you ever know how to con people into joining Quixtar or “learn” how to “look important”???
5.The members of the group call each other “brother” and “sister,” even when they aren't related at all.
Quixtar: Ahh yes..well I don't know about the brother and sister part, but I guess it is pretty similar that everyone in Quixtar thinks of eachother as a “big family”. I mean, that is why “they really know what is best for you”, right? But then again, someone that I know from Quixtar does say that they all of his fellow IBOs members are his brothers and sisters, cause they “understand him”…..wow so far Quixtar is 5 for 5….let's move on…
6.The group is led by a group of enlightened masters who wear strange clothes and speak in esoteric parables.
Quixtar: Everyone is expected in wear “business attire” in order to appear important at all times. Oh,and we've come to my favorite part the wonderful Quixtar catch phrases and scripted stories that Quixtar members love to share with just everyone!! Have you ever had a conversation with an IBO, well I sure have!! If you don't know look for phrases used such as,”I'm so fired up”, “I'm going eagle”, “I'm going diamond baby!”, “yada yada”, “Fantastic”,”vision”,”sharp individuals”, ect. (trust me there are too many to count). Oh yeah you also know when to run when they mention “BWW system” (Britt World Wide), “functions”, and the scripted to the very last word stories about people who have succeeded in Quixtar. It's really creepy cause when you have conversations like this with IBOs and you look into their eyes, it's like they are posessed or something…last time one was telling me one of these stories I was just wondering, “wow are they really still in there?” Try it sometime…
7.The group demands that you accept its teachings without reservation, even when those teachings are in direct conflict with your understanding of basic scientific knowledge.
Quixtar: Well even though it is against all odds Quixtar still wants you to believe that everyone “who truly applies themselves to the business” will succeed. In reality, the only people who are REALLY succeeding are the scumbags at the top of Quixtar who cleverly found a way to con people into giving them all of their money. Oh yeah and if you don't believe what Dexter Yager, Bill Britt, and all the other founder have to say: well of course…”you are an unmotivated loser…not to mention if you fail in this business it is all your own fault!!” (Yeah, it couldn't be that Quixtar for the majority of the population is an insufficiant way to make a living!!! Or that the founders are coniving jerks that want you to listen to them, so they make you vulnerable..hmmm….emotinal abuse now too…. How do you Quixtar believers stand for this???!!!
Quixtar: It is said when you are an IBO, that if your friends aren't in Quixtar…well they really aren't your friends…”Why would you surround yourself with un motivated, negative, losers?” Or maybe they really just don't want you to find out the truth from the people that REALLY do care about you. Below is a clip from Dexter Yager about family and friends that aren't in Quixtar…just in case you don't believe this could actually be true! Click on “If you really care about someone you will sponser them”. Oh yes, there are many other very interesting clips on this site that are also very offensive and just practically unbelievable. I also reccommend checking these out.
http://www.amquix.info/amway_annex.html
9.The group demands that you place your children in its training program.
Quixtar: Well seeing that you can't legally be in Quixtar until you are 18, I don't know how much they can push this. But I do know that members are told how much this will improve the lives of your children, and “it is such a great investment you can pass down to your kids”, “you don't want to leave your kids nothing when you pass away..” Well my personal opinion…I would much rather have my parents leave nothing for me than debts from a business scam…I don't know about you….
10.The group teaches that giving up your life for the sake of the group may become necessary sometime in the future.
Quixtar: Yeah, well once you join Quixtar you do give up your life as you know it. You become a number in a scam that is out of control. You will change as a person, that's for sure…but for the better?? Well maybe for the better of the people at the top…when you join Quixtar, you lose your indentity, your soul…is that a price you are willing to pay?
Well, there you go. The top ten warning signs of a DANGEROUS cult. Do I really think Quixtar is dangerous? Well, I think that it is dangerous for anyone's mental well being. I don't think that a group like this should be allowed to continue its practices for the above reasons. I have come across members of Quixtar and within 5 min of talking to them warning signs were already going off in my head….my question I guess is how can you Quixtar supporters not see these signs??? By the way…if you are taught to “make people belive Quixtar is something it's not” so they join….and to “look for people who seem vulnerable and lost” What do you think your upline did to you…what did they see you as to approach you…think about that for awhile…If you are lying to others: doesn't that mean that you are also being lied to?? Just that makes me wonder about some people out there…what is our world coming to?
I can't even believe that I am taking the time to respond to all of you NAY SAYERS. But I will, because I think you are funny and this is sort of amusing to me.
The reason why you think quixtar is not a good business, is because you have a poverty mind set. And as far as I am concerned your not worth the time, energy, and words that I have taken the time to write. Just thought I'd give you something to think about.
If I didn't know better, I'd think some of you pro-Quixtar people were being ironic.
Hey, anonymous, the mindset that all of us have outside of Quitstar is one that will KEEP us from poverty!
Something to think about the next time you hear the sucking sound from your wallet or bank account, if you can hear it at all.
A “poverty mind set”? In this country? You Quixtar bots are really pushing it.
By the way, none@anonymous.com, your should have been you're in your post. What are you, an eagle? I expected more spelling mistakes than that.
Ha ha…does the grammar and spelling get worse as you move up the pryamid at Quixtar?
Yea for all you quickstar people out there who think you are doing this great job of spreading gods word, I have to tell you, you are really mistaken! You are like a dangerous poison spreading through society, kind of like the anthrax outbreak that happened a couple years ago. This orginization is rewining peoples lifes! It needs to be stopped! And I mean really the only people who benefit from this business in the first place are the people who are high up in the chain of command ( like me hahaha you fools!). Well what ever continue to do “gods” work, but in the end the only one who will be benefiting is satin! if you mess with fire you are going to get burned so let me know how hell treats you!
I figure it does, Drew.
I have formed what I think is an informed opinion. Obviously, Quixtar is not for everyone. I think that the IBO's and everyone involved are well-meaning, but it seems the $$$$$$$ has replaced everything else in life. Of course it is 100% possible to be successful with Quixtar. POSSIBLE. It is also 100% possible to be successful doing something else. I could never do what those people in Quixtar do! The meetings, the recruiting, the selling… I have experienced a lot of misleading information and it's too bad that so many people have experienced the vast dishonesty throughout the Quixtar people.
I have two weeks that i joined quixstar but i have come across to many people that they are very negative. My husband and myself are going to try it. Even all the negative comments we get from people we are willing to come ahead. thank you lreyna@irexp.com
It is possible to make monty in MLMs but not when you are on the tail end of the business like with quickstar of amway or whatever you want to call it. Quickstar has captured nearly all of their market making it difficult to actually make money. I do however know of a new upstart company called Synergy that is going to become the next major MLM. I understand that the mortality rates for these companies is incredible, but all disbelief in Synergy's potential can be erased by the fact that they are backed by Nature's Sunshine. If you understand the econimic trends then you should realized the huge potential Synergy has. I advise all of you to at least take a look at their website http://www.synergyworldwide.com. This is legitamate networking marketing company, and based on the timing it is possible for anyone to make as much money as the original distributors of amway or newskin and other network marketing companies. If your interested e-mail me at blackheart_710@yahoo.com. And for those that will undoubtedly send me hate mail: feel free. I find it quite humorous. Nevertheless I encourage you all to take a look at what synergy has to offer and decide for yourselves.
Wow, you people and your taste to prey upon anyone whom you can…this stuff has become most taxing.
People have the will to work for themselves, they just don't know the way. Unfortunately, Quixstar has run its course and many of you have seen or heard of the thousands. You probably had the question, why don't it work? It's simple. The average person, (some of you) can only develop 2 sales organizations. The Quixstar programs builds width for profitability and that requires you to build 3,4,5+ sales organizations. Additionally, each new IBO has to purchase $350-$500 in products(replacing dollars) to earn points. If you don't earn enough points, then you lose out and points flush up. Futhermore, add in the books/tapes/seminars for $75-$100 a month and you are now spending $400 on the average to have a business that is only/maybe generating $50. It's traditional multi-level marketing. This business model was created in the 1950's. I'm here to recommend the Unfranchise with Market America. A uniform system developed for the average person to succeed. It's a 2-3 year business plan – 8-10 hours a week. I've shown this to many Quixstar people and what they say is “how can you do that” and “why do you do it that way”. Time has come for this company and people are finding out about it. http://www.marketamerica.com. We are not a “me too” company. We do alot of things different. For those of you who once were interested in having a business from the home or looked at Quixstar, you will be amazed at the radical differences one experiences with owning an Unfranchise. The choice is yours to look into it. CHEERS!
My name is Percy. I used to be an IBO, but I recently pulled together the courage to leave the business. I am now 71, but I started Quixtar (which was then known as Amway) when I was 49 years old. My husband Ernie was thought that joining Quixtar would be a good way for us to make the extra money to send our youngest child to college. We were always pretty financialy stable and we thought that the extra money could lead to a more comfortable lifestyle yet. If I would have known what I know now, I would have ignored the feelings of greed I once felt. Let me tell you young people something…go to college. Greed is one of the downfalls of the human race. So here's my story; I started the business with my husband. We generally enjoyed the meetings we went to. We also talked some friends into joining also. Well, I do have to say we also lost some friends, I suppose maybe we were too persistant about the business. I now realize that. Well, we thought that things would really take off. The only problem was that we started losing our money instead of making it. You may ask, “How is this possible?” Just like my children said to me when I told them we were selling the house. Even with people under us, we ended up losing money at a steady rate. With all the products, tapes, trips, meetings, the costs really started to add up. We ended up having to delay our retirement in order to try to earn our money back. Ernie now drives the local elementary school bus. He's 80 years old, and he is having trouble seeing because of his cateracts, so he may have to find a new job. It's hard for us to find work at this age. Since our retirement fund is drained from Quixtar we have to scrape together money to even try to buy food. We are so lucky to have wonderful children who offered to help us finacially. We didn't want to cause a burden to them, just because we made a mistake, so we try to make our own income. We also are very grateful for our children providing us a place to stay. We live in a camper in their driveway, which we feel we are fortunate for. Trust me, this is a luxury compared to the local homeless shelter where in our city. We feel terrible that we don't have any money left for our children. I feel so sad every day. Listen to a wise old woman, Quixtar is a scam. I didn't want to admit it at first because I felt foolish. But those hooligans out there are taking your money. I would just say go to college or just get a job somewhere that you know you will make money. Never work somewhere that doesn't guarantee a set income. God Bless you all!
Mike, this is a post about Quixtar, not Market America. Stop trying to sell people something when they're just trying to get some points across.
Thanks for your input, Percy. I hope your story can shed some light on those who seem to be imprisoned by the darkness of Quixtar.
Kevin, I know this is a post on QS. It seems many of the people hear are looking for a viable business. As you read, I'm not trying to steer people “only” my way. If someone looks into in their local area, that's fine. This site is about resources and if I can help someone lead a friend or family member into a viable, realistic business, contacting me or the company directly, then I helped. So, I apologize to you if you found my email offensive. I did comment on what the “real deal” is with QS. Many people are not aware, as I became more aware of reading all of these comments. So, no selling happening here Kevin – just leading people into the light.
I just read what Percy entered and I need to retract my comment to you Kevin. I get so pissed off when I hear, over and over again, people losing their butts and having smoke blown up their a** about what they will earn some day. Let's face the facts – quixstar is possible – it's not probable. This is exactly why I'm here at this site to let those who are hopeful, or who unfortunately lost alot of time and money that there is a business that works. So, for those of you who still have a spark of desire to be independent, http://www.marketamerica.com. Find out about it. Look into your local area. So, as for Mr. and Mrs. Matthems, I hope that you will find the vehicle that gets you to where you need to be. Don't stop believing and remember, it's not what happens to you, it's about what you do that means the most. Take care and god bless.
My dear God, it will never stop, will it?
It doesn't seem you have much of a purpose here Kevin. Or did you once get bitten by Quixstar?
read further up. You tried it for 3 months. You're one of the smart ones! Good for you. Good luck in your next venture.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. Either way, you're really starting to piss me off.
This blog is here for the reason of expressing one's opinion on Quixtar. You did that in your first post. However, you also deliberately tried to take advantage of that situation by steering them towards yet another “work from home, 8-10 hours a week and become a millionaire in six months” idea. You're no better than the Quixtar folks by doing that. What I do is my business, and I'll have you know that my current “venture” supplies me with a steady income, benefits, and the opportunity for promotion. Does your part-time selling get you benefits? I'll bet not.
Let's take a look at how Marketamerica works. First, you apply to be an Independent Distributor (an ID. Quixtar has IBO's) then pay a subscription fee to begin selling (Quixtar charges one of those too). Then, you create Business Volume (BV) to generate income. Quixtar uses Point Value (PV) to generate income. In order to have a truly successful business, though, you need to qualify for a Business Development Center. To activate this, you need to sponsor two people underneath you and teaching them to do the same thing, so you can make more money off of their hard work.
If this is so easy, why isn't everybody doing it? Because it's a SCAM. This marketamerica crap is no better than Quixtar because it uses the same basic principles.
So how much money are you making, Mike?
I have tried quixtar and if I have to spend close to $350 per month just to get back $30. Well you do the math. It just wasn't working for me. In all that I still never gave up trying to find a MLM company that really works. This time I have found the one that really does work and all that comes out of my pocket is $20 per month to maintain my website. It's called Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing. Check out the website and drop me an e-mail and tell me what you think.
Can anyboby tell meof acompany that will give you money back for purchasing their products?
Doesn't anyone just get a job anymore?
I just want to let you know that it does work. But if you “try” it, you will not succeed. You have to have the courage to look beyond the people who spend there time being lazy. If you work, you can do it. But if you “try” it, you won't work. Look at how many of these bloggers are saying that it is a pyramid. I make more than some of those in my upline. If they spent their time looking at something unbiasly, without flaking out, they would realize that the compensation plan was originally designed by J.C. Penney and has been approved by the U.S. Govt. It is far from any type of pyramid, legal or illegal. If you mean that you are rewarded for your work then o.k. Everything is a pyramid then. All those who participate in 8 to 5 jobs are looking for a promotion, to move UP the payscale. Does this qualify traditional jobs as a pyramid scheme. Of course not. My money comes from my work and not someone elses, and not from my luck of being in it from the beginning. I simply choose to work for 5 years instead of 50.
You must make sure that someone in your upline has your worldview though, otherwise there are many who will not be able to help you because their focus is on their success rather than yours. Trustwrothy, unselfish people are the successors in this business. The selfish, lazy people will be washed aside and we will not hear anything but derogatory meaninglessness come from their mouths. They may have “tried” it, but if I “tried” to become a Christian I wouldn't be for very long. May you prosper through commmitment and hard work.
Gregory Goodrich Flagstaff, AZ
So I suppose the selfish, lazy people compose 99% of Quixtar, right Gregory?
How much money are you making, anyhow?
I just went to a meeting for Quixtar but I'm checking it out first. The only thing that I don't get is how can anybody get on here and talk good or bad about the business when they don't even know how to spell it. It's Quixtar! Because if you don't know how to spell it who's going to believe what you have to say about it. And this is for people who had to pay for tapes, seminars, etc. when did they ask you to start paying for it? Because me and my husband haven't heard anything about that. Peace!
KAK, The tapes, seminars, etc. are promoted by my line, but unlike most, we admit to our prospects that it can be done apart from them. I supply my downline with cd's and my upline supplies me with them. Even if they did decide to buy them it averages from $40-60/month. I also own my own roadside diesel business. Yes . . . that is right. I work on semi's and do you know what type of investment I put into that every year, not to mention the first year I was in business. People who buy the cds have a 180 day period to listen to them and return them if they do not like them. There is no excuse for all of this whining about money spent on cds. I have put hundreds and sometimes thousands into my roadside business within a matter of days. The investment for Quixtar, if you can even call it that, is nothing for anyone to gripe about. Noone in my line of sponsorship profits from the sell of cds. Each individual buys them directly from the manufacturer Internet Services, so there is no opportunity for mark-up.
Kevin, Yes, with so many people being negative and people forgetting about the failing structure of traditional distribution these people fail in reaching what Quixtar makes to be very attainable. Let me ask you. If many people tried to sell life insurance, how many do you think would succeed. 1% perhaps. Perhaps a mere .5%. There is no immediate return. You only make money when you sale. It is on a commission basis. I would not call all those who fail at life insurance sales or Quixtar lazy. Perhaps not focused, or not realizing the failure of their alternative.
So that you know: I was in World Wide, Bill Britt's organization. A lot of materialistic, bombastic, and confused people. I left for four years. Moved from Phoenix to Flagstaff. Met a few guys in Flagstaff that I did not know were in the business for months, and then through my brother I found out. So I sought them out because it is an awesome business, unless your upline is focused on money rather than freedom and family, and saw that these guys were men who I could trust and who would help me to have my wife home with kids. I originally was in Britt's org. for 8 months and now have been in for less than a month. I am hoping to get a $140 check, but am right now going to get a $60 check. By the way, Mike fascinates me b/c he makes $30 off of products that he buys anyway, but doesn't help others do the same, and complains. Well, I am wasting far too much time sitting here replying to you guys. I hope that you will seek objectivity, rather than assuming you already know. Thanks for the lively conversation. http://www.ibofacts.com
Thought you guys might be interested in this: It really works if you work it. My wife and I have been associated with Quixtar for 9 months now, and we only see our dreams becoming realities. As brand new Platinums, we just received a 25 hundred dollar incentive bonus; not to mention the monthly bonuses on the volume that our team moves through our organization each month. It is our pleasure to be associated with this business. Within two to five years; we're going all the way. It only works if you work it! I think that it is sad to think that people don't get the clue that they can live a better lifestyle. People shop everyday, why not put some benefit behind that concept? Get business oriented. Tapes help you learn from people who are succeeding. Books are the books that you would buy at Borders to pursue personal growth. Functions put you into association with those who are successful in their journies. There is no attempt to derail an entire organization. As my wife and I continue to grow, people notice, and they become hungry for the benefits that we enjoy. They see the peace that exudes from our lifestyle of self actualization. Few people in the 'work' mode ever attain this level because their lives are spent chasing the almighty dollar. My wife is retired at age 23, raising our 2 year old daughter. We would not be enjoying this financial opportunity if we still had to count on her income as a bank loan manager of 38,000 dollars a year. No, Quixtar is growing us in every area of our lives. Within the next year, at age 25, I will retire from real estate and help raise our daughter. It is all about helping other people to attain their levels of self actualization – refer to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. We are so sad about your experiences, but we would never trade our business license in and return to the life of chaos under the boss. We are on the right path, and it works if you work it. Posted by Shayman at May 10, 2004 05:50 PM quixtarblog.com
Also, I read JMJ's list at the top. This is unfortunatley bad journalism. Typically, honest people would compare the actual usage amount and break that down instead of simply stating the raw price. Keep in mind that that these are products that you buy anyways. The SA8 detergent uses about a fourth of what you would use of tide. Making this product far cheaper than tide, also check out the product value and quality instead of cost. Take a tbspoon of SA8 detergent and another of tide or whatever else you might excite yourself with, stick each in water for two minutes and see what happens to each of the detergents. Tide will sit on the spoon in a goopey, clay substance, while SA8 actually interacts with the water and moves itself, rather than needing the aid of moving water. Use it sometime. You might actually learn something . . . What quality is. We, who have always purchased products whose major profit goes to advertising, are amazed when we meet companies who are able to put their profit back into improving the product, rather than having to pay for advertising. Alright. I am done now.
Thank you, Gregory
Gregory, I just want to say thank you for your words. I'm in my 2nd month of business in Quixtar and with the way it is growing, I'll be Platinum at the end of 2005. Look at this as well, I'm only 18. This will be able to pay off my college bills and everything else I owe to the world. My parents just lost their jobs because corporateamerica decided to ship all the damn jobs out to Asia and Europe. I plan on having a full time job with a salary and a college education. And Quixtar is going to help me do it! Congratulations on your sucess. And a message for everyone else who is bad-washing this business. Please understand what the company is and how it can work for you before you bad-mouth it. My moto in life is that “Before I make a judgement about anything in life, I have to do research on it before I make my decision.” And for the people who tried it and don't believe in it, you have to follow all the steps in the BWW system to be sucessful. It's just like losing weight. You can't expect to take a diet pill and see results or buy a tredmill and expect to be beautiful over night. It takes motivation and Perseverance to be able to achieve anything in life. If it did not work for you still, then so be it. Not everyone is ment for this business. And by the way, this company Guarantees you sucess within 6 months, if you don't like it you get your money back. Living happy and carefree. Signing out from good old Pennsylvania,
Terry Heng Platnium baby, 2005!!!!!!
p.s. Happy Holidays to everyone this December
One more thing. The Better Business Bureau approves of this company. Check it out at http://www.bbb.org/ and type in http://www.quixtar.com to find the company or click on this link here: http://www.grandrapids.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bureau=grandrapids&code=&compid=0011002927&national=Y
Gregory,
Their alternative is to get out there and get a real job. So what you're telling me is that those that choose that route are failures, even though you yourself run your own roadside diesel business. So that would make you…a hypocrite.
But wait, you said you were going to retire from real estate at 25. So which do you do, work on semis, or sell property? And if you do both, does that not make you more of a hypocrite?
Furthermore, ibofacts.com and quixtarblog.com are biased websites; you can't spell or use grammar properly to save your life; and you actually said, “I was originally in Britt's organization for 8 months but now have been in for less then a month.” So you can time travel, too! This is just amazing.
The following information can only lead me to one conclusion: YOU'RE LYING AND/OR YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOVER. And Terry, do you really think I am going to trust a source from Grand Rapids, Michigan on whether or not the Better Business Bureau approves of Quixtar? Amway originated there, so I would say that's a biased source as well.
Neither one of you has told me what you're making, either. You people with all of your big talk seem to convieniently leave that fact out.
Here's something funny too… I went to the web page referenced above for the BBB. In fact, the Better Business Bureau does NOT endorse Quixtar!
Or perhaps Kevin, you got confused because you didn't see that I took the real estate excerpt from another site. This is another person. I own a road-side business, have nothing to do with realty and had a different upline the first time I was in the business than I do now. After you are inactive for 6 months and are willing to give up your current downline, a person, like myself, can change uplines. I was in it in '99 and just got back in. No time traveling ability needed if you just care to hear what I am trying to say instead of being so snippy all the time. I am not against you pal. You are against me here. If I am not being clear let me know before you call me a hypocrite. I never mind admitting that I am not always clear in my thoughts.
Drew you can go to Quixtar.com then click on the little BBBonline symbol at the bottom right of your monitor. It would be illegal for them to post this if what you just said is true. Quixtar Inc. meets all BBBOnLine Reliability participation and Better Business Bureau membership standards and is authorized to display the BBBOnLine Reliability seal. Make sure that you spelled it right. Its Quixtar.com, NOT Quickstar.com.
I hope that everyone has an enjoyable week.
Gregory
Kevin, Maybe I could improve my grammar if you could point out some instances where I showed flaw. I would appreciate this. I have no problem admitting that I am not able to write that well sometimes. Though it does boggle my mind how I could be on the road to graduating Magna cum laude, yet not know how to write properly. I am sorry that this is the focus of your attn. though. We are talking about business, not my ability to syntactically structure sentences correctly. No offense is taken, but I was planning on having a nice friendly discussion in which true concerns about our business might be discussed. I didn't come here to be put down because I am less intelligent than you are and would appreciate you understanding that I am not against you. I don't really care what shelf you put our business on and it is your choice whether or not you are against me. But I do want you to know that if you have any real concerns, they can be answered adequately if you are willing to bring your mind to the discussion.
Thanks,
Gregory
“You only make money when you sale.” That's one. You never use question marks. That's two.
Quit posting here, Gregory. You already said you were wasting time doing so in your second post yet you continue to post your opinion which everyone has already heard from some other Quixtar IBOT.
Furthermore, I was talking about business and the way Quixtar worked or didn't work in regards to the biased “support” you are posting. You should have paid attention to that.
Drew doesn't need to learn to spell. He said Quixtar, not Quixstar.
You still haven't told me how much money you're making. Always avoiding the main questions, aren't you?
I did spell Quixtar correctly at the correct website. The Better Business Bureau does NOT endorse Quixtar. In fact, here's what it says (copied and pasted from the page you cited in your previous post)… As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service or company.
Kevin,
If you really cared about people, and listened once in a while instead of being a prick, you would have seen that I did tell you how much I am making. You remember. The same part of my post that you made fun of because I said that I was in the business in '99. I left after a few months because of my upline, and now I got back in. The post was on the 11th. Oh, don't even bother commenting. I see your insults coming already. Also, I was not referring to Drew's posting Quixtar.com. I was referring to his search at BBB. This would not be visible, and unlike yourself, I was trying to help someone. I was not trying to be derogatory in any way. Also my use of “sale” instead of “sell” doesn't have anything to do with the issues at hand. I am sorry that I am an idiot. Unlike yourself, I am not perfect. Oh. Oh . . . would you look at that: “You already said you were wasting time doing so in your second post yet you continue to post your opinion which everyone has already heard from some other Quixtar IBOT.” – Kevin You should try using commas and periods sometime. It would probably also help if you started a new sentence at “yet” and capatalized the “Y”. There is no reason to be bombastic. We are on a web forum. Do you actually spell check and make sure that you use question marks before you post? I apologize if it irritating to you, but I don't. And as we see above . . . you don't either. If you are not able to intelligently converse over the issues at hand, rather than distract everyone's attention by degrading me and raising yourself up, maybe you should be the one to leave. I am willing to forget this stuff and exchange ideas about Quixtar if you think that you can handle that.
Thanks,
Greg
Drew, I wasn't trying to make fun of you as Kevin may have thought. I hope you didn't think that I was.
BBB doesn't endorse any company's product. They do not attempt to play this role. They simply evaluate companies by their standards. They also serve as resoving entity. They are there for those who may have disputes with a company, but not want to file a lawsuit immediately. When you file a complaint with BBB they seek to investigate the issue and resolve it before resorting to court. Any complaint that is found to be valid is a mark on the company's record. When it says that Quixtar is a member of the BBB in good standing it means exactly that. Again, they do not endorse any products or companies, but simply seek to give consumers a chance to see how the companies record stands with this entity.
Thanks for listening.
Greg
You people don't even know what the BBB is. I never said that the BBB “endorses” Quixtar. If you read very carefully, my last posting says that “The Better Business Bureau APPROVES of this company” meaning that it is a legitimate business, and it is not a scam. I don't like Amway, Quixtar is totally different even though we have the same parent company. I don't want to bad mouth anyone here. I'm just glad this blog is here. It's America right? :) peace.
Don't even bother commenting? I should think you know me a bit better than that by now, Gregory. Oops, I made one grammatical error to your…I lost count!
“I apologize if it irritating to you.” Did your Quixtar smart medicine wear off there, hotshot? GO MAGNA CUM LAUDE…I MEAN DIAMOND! If all people who graduate Magna Cum Laude are like you, Greg, then why haven't you started eating the poor?
Now, let's take a look at this post on the 11th that you say reports how much you're making. You say that you “are hoping to get a $140 check, but am right now going to get a $60 check.” If that your reference to how much you're making? As far as I know, Quixtar IBO's are paid on a monthly basis…that means you make $60.00/month, and $720.00/year??? WOW!! I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD MAKE THAT MUCH! WHY AREN'T I DOING THIS?? For your sake, I hope you are joking. If you're not, you should really sort out your priorities.
It's true, grammatical errors are irritating to me. It's not just you who makes them, either. Let's take a look at one of your Quixtar buddies:
hey gilbert, let me ask u one question, do u work, if u so, then u r in pyramid scheme,every corporation has pyramid, tell me do u make more money then your boss. all those people quixtar not a pyramid, u r by your own,if u do better then your upline you could reach up then he/she, study the plan then talked all of u grow up let people do they r doing dont say nagative that u dont know.
That was posted by the long-defunct RD. Now, you're not that bad, but from what I've read on this site, the more money you make, the more grammar mistakes you make. So keep plugging out those $60.00 checks and you might stay sane.
Do you actually think this blog is about business? I certainly don't. From what I've read, posted and reacted to since May, I've found that this forum is for anything but business. It's about expressing your views on Quixtar, whatever they may be, and then arguing back and forth with whomever you choose on that subject. I like to argue. I'm good at it. So this forum is a constant source of entertainment for me.
“If you really cared about people, and listened once in a while instead of being a prick…” I'll tell you what, Mr. Magna Cum Laude, I care enough to know that Quixtar is one thing and one thing only: A SCAM. It's one massive idea that puts hope into people and dashes them just as quickly so that the upper 1% can make a quick dollar. You could say that's the way corporate America works, too; but at least in corporate America they let you make some decent money before kicking your ass to the curb two years before you become eligible for retirement benefits. Maybe that's why it's pronounced “QUICK-STAR.” Make it quick and retire by 24! What a load of crap.
I'm sorry. You said you wanted exchange some ideas about Quixtar, right? Ok. Well, I only have one.
KILL IT.
Too many people have been hurt through Quixtar. Too many have been left broke, hopeless and demoralized. Far more have taken steps backwards through it than have taken steps forward. This may seem like a largely utilitarian view here, but I refuse to take the backburner on this issue. The whole idea of the pyramid might be a decent one, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK. If it did, you'd have a lot more followers and the majority of America would be independently wealthy. Instead, most people are losing money due to Quixtar while a select few reap all of the profits.
If you want to become one of those select few, fine. I really don't have the power to stop you. But if you really cared about people, if you really cared about YOURSELF, you'd reconsider. Get a hold of the May 8, 2004 issue of Dateline and pay close attention. Unless you've seen it already…in which case I don't know what you're trying to prove. America doesn't believe in Quixtar, Gregory. Think about that. And if Quixtar really believed in America, they'd make a whole lot of amendments to their structure and ideals.
There is nothing wrong with chasing a dream. But when you step on people in order to do so, that's where I draw the line. If you are in Quixtar, you are in Bill Britt's downline. It's that simple. You said it yourself: “A lot of materialistic, bombastic, and confused people.”
Is that what you really want? Think about that before you retort.
By the way, I never said I was perfect. I tried Quixtar once too, remember?
“If you are in Quixtar, you are in Bill Britt's downline.” – Kevin
Bill Britt is part of the sponsorship that presides over a 1/3 of the business; it is not only Bill Britt. Britt's group is called World Wide. The other 2/3 of the business is the product of Dexter Yager's business. If you are going to bash a business I would think that you would know a little more about it before doing so. Also, I have watched the Dateline segment on Quixtar. Do you have any idea who is Dateline's greatest commercial client? Proctor and Gamble. Are you also aware that the first lawsuit ever filed by GM was against Dateline? Dateline rigged some vehicles with explosives in order to juice up their story. Do some research. Whenever individuals get involved in an idea like this there is going to be hurt. That is how human beings are. However, this is not Quixtar's fault. When you joined the business youwere declared an Independent Business Owner. At that point you could have done whatever you wanted to. You could have scammed people for millions, just like some people have. America doesn't blame Quixtar Kevin. You do; I understand. Just don't think that when the business is done right it's bad. It is not. Thieves use Quixtar as their getaway vehicle sometimes. Have you ever heard of a automobile company ever being sued or blamed because people use them to get away from crime scenes? This is exactly what you guys are doing. Just think about it.
Just in case you wanted to laugh at me a little more: Halfway into my first month my PV check is sitting at $100.00. Free utilities. Nice. On top of that I have sold employee Christmas incentives to hotels for another $400.00 profit. Not bad. You work, it works.
Take care, Gregory
Sorry, Kevin. That last one crossed the line.
Edited version:
Gregory,
Good luck with the $1200.00 a year income.
God Bless, Kevin
By the way, Quixtar is not business done right. Quixtar is business with a splash of religious fervor and a whole lot of deception.
I find it amazing that this post is over a year and a half old, yet some of you still flock to it daily. I can totally picture a couple of you regular folk poised over your machine, hitting refresh, waiting for that next person to comment so you can respond. =P
is bww.com and quixtar the same?
Kevin, FYI: I actually wasn't meaning to direct those comments (“take care”, etc.) at you in particular. I was simply trying to make sure that everyone, including yourself, knows that I am attempting to discuss without getting to snippy or pompous. I hope that you realize this. I will try to make sure that I am not trying to build myself up from here on out. aaiight. How is that? . . . Too much? o.k. Also, make sure and don't miss my last post above. Matt had to edit yours so mine got pushed up.
Jeeves, No, BWW stands for Britt WorldWide and he does not even have a third of Quixtar IBO's under him. Imagine Quixtar as a vehicle. The business owner which interact with it have nothing to do with it other than recieving commission for business generated. BWW is only one line of business owners that interact with Quixtar. BWW is the most materialistically motivated of line and has turned a lot of people off to the business. Dexter Yager's line is another line of business owners and this line makes up 2/3 of the business owners involved. As you might have read above, I was in BWW's line of sponsorship, but b/c of the immoral and unethical standards dropped out. Four years later I met some very like-minded people who were involved and it has completely helped me to see that the business is good. It is the people that make the experience bad or good. I would highly discourage anyone from becoming involved in BWW.
Greg
I didn't miss your last post, Gregory. I just don't care what you have to say anymore. You're wrong.
I am okay with you saying and thinking that I am wrong, but it is pretty sad when you still have yet to form an argument without appealing to one logical fallacy or another. I understand that you got burned and your feelings are hurt. I am sorry that you had to deal with that. But if you have a problem with the business rather than the people, form an argument. You spend all of your time making fun of me instead of just proving what you seem to know is so obvious. Then, when I shoot down something you said you appeal to “You are hopeless” and now you won't talk to me. Since when does that work in philosophy.
“If you are in Quixtar, you are in Bill Britt's downline. It's that simple.” -Kevin
“Well, I am wasting far too much time sitting here replying to you guys.”–Gregory, 12/11/04
Nine posts later…
…you continue to reply. Why is that? You're brainwashed.
I think it's still obvious that 99% of Quixtar IBO's fail. Disprove that.
Cable internet: $35.00 a month.
Pyramid Scheme forum: 120 minutes per month.
Laughing at a Quixtar IBO that makes $100.00 a month and can't stop saying how great it is: Priceless.
There are some things money can't buy. Like credibility.
Gregory, do you realize you are nothing more to me than a source of entertainment? A clown? Keep adding fuel to the fire, and you eventually get burned.
Crossing the line again, Kevin. ;-)
I think you guys have far too much time on your hands. Every day, my e-mail box fills up with bickering between Greg and Kev. Gettin' old, folks. How about we move on to another post Matt has written?
Kevin, “Wasting time” was meant contextually. Finals week pal. Sorry that I thought you actually had a case against the business. Sure, 99% of people fail at alot of things, but that is their failure, not the opportunities. If I don't study and get a 4.0, it's my fault. I can't whine and complain about it. 99% of the world was, and much of it still is, in poverty. If you have change sitting on your dresser you are in the top %5 of the wealthiest people in the world. Is democracy a failure b/c this still holds to be true after 2500 years of its existence? No. It works when we invest our time and effort into it. If you would THINK a little bit instead of always whining and making derogatory remarks, perhaps you would realize what enterprise means. It means taking a risk at something in order to recieve a return. This is the greatest accomplishment of democracy. Individuals have control of their life. I hope you enjoy someone telling you to go to the bathroom all of the time. Democracy pays off huh. Even democracy fails if you don't take advantage of it. Have fun at whatever you choose to do. Oh yeah . . .
Take Care. Greg
Of that 99% of Quixtar IBOs, a good 67% of them are active, meaning they are doing some form of work. Many put loads of time and effort into it, and still had nothing come of it. Quixtar.com even reports that the average active IBO makes roughly $115.00 per month. (Side note–democracy is a terrible form of government. It's just our best excuse to handle world affairs so far.) Think I get told to go to the bathroom all of the time? What about you, PAL? You listen to everything told to you at these Quixtar meetings and regurgitate it onto this forum, playing it off as intelligence when it's nothing but memorization.
The average Quixtar IBO makes $1400.00 per year. That's far below the poverty line. Now I know that's an average figure, Mr. Hotshot, and you'll come back with, 'Well that means a lot of people make more than that.' Maybe not. Let's take a look at some figures here.
Quixtar made roughly $1.1 billion last year. About 25% of that was paid to Quixtar IBO's, or roughly $275 million. That means at most, AT THE VERY MOST, you have 275 people who make over $1 million/year. Back out the 3% bonus for self consumption at 100 PV and that leaves roughly 250. If you generate 7500 PV or more/month, you receive a 25% performance bonus. Diamonds and above account for nearly 22% of all bonuses paid to Quixtar IBO's, so that leaves us with roughly 61 people making over $1 million per year. So, if the figure of roughly 800,000 IBO's is true, then about 1 out of every 13,115 IBO's makes $1 million per year; that's assuming they split those bonuses up evenly (they don't).
It's not that Quixtar doesn't work at all. I mean, if 61 out of 800,000 can make $1 million a year, certainly it works in some sense. But from a general business standpoint, it just doesn't work well at all. An average Quixtar IBO generates $12.00 per man hour working the business. That means at the VERY BEST profit margin of 25%, you are generating $3.00 per hour spent building the business. Oh, and that doesn't include expenses; so it's probably safe to assume that many people are paying Quixtar to buy from THEIR OWN BUSINESS.
Sounds intelligent, doesn't it? Not an enterprising risk I'd like to take, I'll tell you that.
THINK about it.
If you have a case against hard evidence I'd like to see it.
Jenn, how can I move onto another post? This is so much FUN!
i've been reading all these posts here about quixtar…some positive and some negative…just as in any business….anyway i done weeks of research before i bacame an ibo…i sifted through all the crap people were saying (bad and good) about the company and made a decision to join..i dont buy training materials, i dont recruit people to become ibo's, and i don't go to meetings…but i still have a successful business..my definition of a successful business is one that makes a profit…according to quixtar's rules i can't tell how much i make, but i can generalize my income..i make between 1,500 and 3,000 dollars a month…remember i have no ibo's registered under me…u don't have to recruit people into the business to make money…u don't have to buy training materials and u don't have to go to meetings…there are just so manuy options with this business…pick whatever option works and stick with it…it will pay off..
Ok honestly….When will people learn? Quixtar is not and will never be something good to get into! I don't care how anyone tries to convince me, I know far too much about Quixtar and quite frankly it sucks. The more I hear about it, the more disgusted I become. I am honestly not trying to offend anyone here, just give the plain facts. Pro Quixtar advocates…do you realize that you are working for people who have been sued by the government numerous times for fraudulant activity? Do you also realize that these people are putting on an act so they can take money from you without realizing it?! People wake up already!! Have you ever heard of the saying “If it sounds too good to be true, it normally is?” Yeah, well wouldn't we all love to make money so easily and retire in 5 years? Well guess what? Unless you inherit a lot of money or win the lottery..it's probably not going to happen. If you really want to make that amount of money you should try something legit. Yeah..and for people who join Quixtar because they want to be “self employed” why don't you do that? You can start your OWN REAL business. Why sell yourself short? You need to realize that you ARE working for someone else right now, whether you like it or not. You may call it your “own” business, but think about it…did you start Quixtar? Ummm..no. Do you have people above you…yes. Okay, so there you go. Just because you pay money to Quixtar doesn't mean you own it. Oh yeah, and you also pay to JOIN Quixtar. That's the keyword right there. If this business really worked everyone would be rich…but hello! That could never happen because eventually the people on the bottom would not have anyone under them..which means they will not make money. So yeah, that's where you come in. Everyone who will make good money from this business has already been in it for a long long time. The people who founded it are the ones getting all the money. I hate to compare it, but basically they are like pimps. They recruit people in order to take their money. I don't even want to hear the nonsense that they are good people either..that they are living the American dream, have perfect marriages, etc. So, maybe you haven't heard the part about Bill Britt being arrested after a 911 call from his wife. Or the fact that they are now divorced because of Quixtar. There is not a miracle business out there that will solve anyone's problems. It is absolutely sick how Quixtar members idolize these people and hold them in such a high standing. Oh and by the way…I have never been in Quixtar…but trust me, I know more than I need to know about it. My boyfriend is in Quixtar and needless to say…I think he needs to get out. He tells me everything about it…probably more than Quixtar members would like me to know.
Candace, you rock.
candace, you know nothing about quixtar…if u did u would be in quixtar…that goes for everyone that says they know all about quixtar but are not in quixtar…if you know about quixtar u would be in…period
Well Ed, I seem to know quite a bit about Quixtar. Why don't you read my post above about how great a financial risk it is? That's the reason I'm not in it.
Candace, you still rock. Ed, you just don't.
i've seen a few people here talk about running out of people to get to join the quixtar business…does that mean that the entire human race is going to stop re-producing…how many hig-school and college graduates enter the work-force every year…or at least reach the legal age to work…i don't see any problem of ever running out of people to join quixtar…
kevin…wasn't trying to insult anyone…sorry if i did…but to me $125 was not a great financial risk…i spend double that each month on the lottery..guess what..i haven't won..but i keep on trying…and that's my fault…not blaming anyone else for it..so if i spend a one time fee of $125 and my business fails what's $125…if it fails that's my fault…but whether it is a failure or success depends on the person's goals…my goal was a couple grand extra a month…i'm there..so as far as i'm concerned it's a success for me…some people reach their goal and some don't…sorry i don't rock dude…i'll try harder….really though i dont want to offend anyone on here…debate is always good…by the way i really don't care about punctuation…it's not like i'm being graded on it…i've just noticed that a lot of people have caught some crap about their grammar on here…
-Ed- Trust me, I do know about Quixtar….that is why I am NOT in it. The question should be do YOU really know about Quixtar? And if you really do know the whole truth about about it, how can you still possibly be supporting it with a clean concious?
Ed, what are you smoking?
what do u mean kevin? what am i smoking…. candace, i can support it with a clean conscience because it is legal and i am not causing anyone any harm by being an ibo…i dont go to rallies or meetings…i dont buy books or tapes..i haven't even talked to anyone in my upline since i became an ibo…no one made me any promises or told me i had to do things a certain way…i do it my way and get a check for it each month…if that check never gets any larger then thats ok with me because i've reached my goal…believe me i had concerns with this business plan from the time i saw it…being a business major i knew right away that it was legal but wasn't sure if it was legitimate..i still have concerns with the model but i choose not to follow the model the way it was presented…i still make money…anyway i'm not trying to convince anyone to join…i dont have any registered ibo's under me…i could care less if another single person joins or not…i make my money my way…if they start telling me to sign up ibo's then im out
“What are you smoking” is a figure of speech, genius. It's basically saying that you're making really stupid comments.
I've noticed that a very incoherent Ed has recently replaced Greg's superficial intelligence. Funny how those that think they know everything run at the first sign of hard evidence, isn't it?
After reading all these about the bad and the ugly of quixtar, I must say I am not the only one then. I was introduced to the DBO business (dependent business owner) through a guy I started seeing. The guy was not looking for a mate, date or what have you. The only thing he talked about was quixtar this quixtar that. To be honest with you all, I was so excited to finally have found not just a great guy, but a secure business so easy – too good to be true situation. Well, few months later when he saw that I was not ever going to be as obsessed about it as he is he dumped me. He later confesses that he thought I didn't want a serious relationship and that he was just happy to have found a business partner. The whole time we talked or saw each other, there was hardly anything romantic or passionate about it unless I start to question it. He went as far as sleeping with me a few times met my family – took me to his family just to get me to be his Q partner. I was crushed! Hurt! and felt stupid. The day he broke the news to me-I met him for one Hr, 40 min of the talk was how I need to be excited and find prospects…blabla..then 20 min of break up talk which included every other statement the word quixtar some how mixed with it. Any one who is thinking about joining should really be careful and study the sponsor that is pestering you. I am over it now, still painful at times to think about it, but over all the pain I feel is mostly now for my x-sponsor who deceived me totally and intentionally. This business is too good to be true. It is not true! it is good for ONLY the big top guys who has been through amway then transitioned to this over 25-35 yrs. Even with that they are not making the $$ the say they make. It is all us little people who gets excited and get involed for short time spend all the extra $$ we could spend on our family, but gets depleated to the mouth of richest rich family that found and own the business. That is the bottom line. No wonder they call it a colt, it is a life style, they live and breath this stuff like there is no life with out it. I could say a lot, but this is a start. Thanks
hey kevin…i didn't run anywhere…i i haven't seen any hard evidence…GENIUS
Hey Kevin…it's your good friend Mike. It's been a few days but I'm back to respond to your disappointing view. I guess we'll draw swords. First, everyone doesn't know about MA. More and more are finding out. I just expanded into Maryland from some QS people who were once “signed” with QS and quit, after reviewing what we do and how we do it. Second, it has nothing to do about how much anyone earns – it's about the system. Do you think people go to another business owner, of any business, and ask them how much money they make before they open up a franchise business. Hell no! It comes down to the system and then, ultimately, the person who runs it. It's obvious you're not a trainable or coachable guy. You are perfect for a corporate/day job – punch a clock, trade time for money and wish for a promotion without being downsized. I truly wish you well. After reading through much of this, are you a “gate keeper” here or do you just enjoy peeing in everyone post-toasties? In the world of Dyanetics, you are a victim, and that's not a good thing. You should spend more of your time reading and less time responding to everyone, good or bad, about QS. Yes, their system is antiquated and doesn't work for the average person. Stop drinking the “HATERADE”. Start asking “why not” instead of “why”.
it is probably true that the guys at the top of the business are the ones making the most money…the ones that transitioned from am-way and have been doing it 20 or more years…thats the way business works…i would expect those people to make more money than i did no matter what the business is…every business is like that…if the people at the bottom made more than the owners or managing partners that business wouldn't be around very long…i've went back and read a lot of the posts here, mainly the ones that are negative about quixtar….ya'll are criticizing this business for the same practices that every business in america is doing…the guys at the top make a lot of money off the guys at the bottom…eventually the guys at the bottom move up if they stay with the company and do their jobs the way they are supposed to…and sometimes along the way may even get a performance bonus or two…this is common business…look at ray crock…if he didn't have people to buy mcdonalds restaurants what would have happened…i don't hear anyone here criticizing him for normal business practices…i wonder why?
Hey Ed, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about Greg, MORON. Hard evidence: December 16, 2004 11:02 PM post. Read it if you can. Furthermore, if Quixtar is nothing more than normal business practice then why do you think it's so special?
As for you, Mike, you can quit with the positive reinforcement ploy. You leave for two weeks only to follow with a weak post about trading “hours for dollars” and to tell me to stop drinking “haterade”. What a superficial load of crap. It has nothing to do with what anyone earns? Anyone with a brain wouldn't join that then. In a culture driven by the dreams of wealth like ours is, a business that isn't about making money won't do very well. No one is going to jump ship from their current company simply because a system sounds good.
You still haven't told me how much you're making, either. Peace.
that's no hard evidence of anything…you go from 275 people making a mil a year down to 61…how's that…if 275 people are making a mil a year as you say how does that number dwindle to 61…i don't understand your math…i've also looked back at a lot of these posts and noticed that the ones opposing quixtar are also the ones doing a lot of name calling…not all of it but most of it…i wonder why…
Look at the percentages and figure it out, Ed. You don't seem to be a very bright guy.
i never once claimed to be a very bright guy so let's get that straight right now…but to me if 275 people make a mil a year that's 275 people no matter how you fumble around with the numbers…what i'm saying is i don't understand how you went from saying there are 275 people making a mil to saying there is 61 making a mil…if u back out the 3% bonus for self consumption then u have no body making a mil…that is a prerequisite to receive a check…
$275 million is an approximation of what was paid to Quixtar IBO's last year, Ed. That means at the very most, you could have 275 millionaires. That's impossible since there are nearly 800,000 IBOs. Can you understand that?
In fact, if you divided $275 million equally amongst every Quixtar IBO, then everyone gets paid a whopping $343.75 per year. I don't know about you, but that doesn't even pay one month's rent for me.
If 61 Quixtar IBOs (a somewhat realistic number) are making one million dollars per year, then that means one out of every 13,115 IBO's is a millionaire. Let's say that 275 (a ludicrous number) are making one million dollars a year (keep in mind that means that 799,725 IBOs are making nothing). Your odds increase to one out of every 2909. Whoo hoo!
Let me know if you need me to walk you through anything else.
I am entering this discussion late but here are some of the figures I have seen from Quixtar.
340,000 IBOs (North America) 54% considered ACTIVE or 183,600 IBOs attempting to earn bonus checks.
This thread is impressive. And to think, someone told me recently that people don't care anymore about the Quixtar debate. But, of course, that was an active Quixtar IBO. Go figure.
Hi Dave,
Thanks.
ok kevin, i understand what you are saying now…but there's not 800,000 ibo's active..(receiving checks)…its closer to 400,000…u also have to consider the active ibo's just getting started that don't make nothing for a couple of months…but none of that matters to me…all that matters to me is the monthly chick I get…i'm not concerned with what all the others make…i don't plan on making mil a year…i took this business for exactly what it is…supplemental income…not income replacement..i don't care what people think about me for participating in this business…i can tell u though that from experience that this is by far the most economic business to run…no overhead, no payroll, no insurance, no workers comp, etc., etc.,…u get the picture…i own an auto repair shop…(small one)… my net sales was approx 288,000….about 90,000 went in my pocket…that's working 6 days 10 hrs a day…i don't spend but a few hours a week with my quixtar business and make from 1500 to 3000 dollars extra a month…LEGALLY… so say what u want to i don't give a plug nickle about what the higher ups make…or how they go about making it…as long as i do it legally and morally thats all that matters to me…i'm not saying the higher ups are doing anything wrong…but they have had a lot of accusations thrown at them but none proven yet…oh yeah then there was dateline..hah…now there is a credible bunch of folks…i may be wrong on this but weren't they the ones who rigged gm cars to explode or something…to make their story more exciting…i believe they got sued and that was proven..but they are still in business…so i wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in their fabricated stories…but i know what ya'll are going to say…yeah the gm story was fabricated but not quixtar…heard it before…i may be wrong on the show…it could have been 60 minutes…but they are all the same…u can watch some of their shows and just know they are full of it…those of u who down quixtar and call it a scam probably have had some dealings with them and it didn't work for u…too bad…it works for me…thats all that i care…
Ed, I'm starting to think there's something seriously wrong with you.
Kevin,
Every single time I open my e-mail, I want you to take a wild stab at the first thing I see. No, it's not a silly forward. It's not a notification from Real Simple telling me they've sent me my latest issue. It's you. Yeah. Shocked? You see, I get an e-mail sent to my account the second someone posts. So when I hear bing! the first thing I do is check my e-mail and the first thing I see nearly every time as of late is one word: humourouschamp.
It's about to drive me mad. Please. Find another obsession other than hitting refresh every five minutes. I beg of you. I'm so sick of hearing about Quixtar I could scream. It's gone on for OVER TWO YEARS. Nearly four hundred posts later, you're still going strong. Please. Just. Move. On. =P
kevin, i just read one of your posts further up and you said you was an ibo for three months…was that a whole three months…man if i would have read that post earlier i would have never debated anything with u…dude you are sad…after going back and reading more posts i'm beginning to wonder how many people there really are here saying negatives…i can tell for sure there is one here using multiple names and making multiple posts…probably works for dateline…i was just begining to enjoy reading these posts…if i am mistaken here let me know…if this post gets deleted then i know i'm right..if i am wrong i apologize in advance…but i don't think i am…but i still can't get over that u, kevin, spent a whole three months in quixtar…if it didn't work for u that's fine…but how did u know in just three months…u said earlier that it was too great a financial risk…how much could u have lost in only three months…if it was more than a couple hundred bucks then u ain't as bright as i thought…if u got out within your first year anyway everything is refundable…startup…books…tapes…products u purchased…even the seminars are refundable if u ain't satisfied…so really kevin how much did u lose…i'm guessing nothing…i'm guessing u never was an ibo…if u was u would've known to stay at least 11 months…that way all is still refundable…i believe u are just an agitator…that's what us older folks used to call people who got on cb radios to cause trouble…just curious as to how many people u are posing as…never mind…dont even respond..i really don't care to read anymore of your crap…man just think…i was really trying to see your points…until i seen the three months thing…anybody else here thats done this more than three months that has negative things to say…if not game over…
Sorry Jenn, but I can't just stop because you want me to. If you're sick of hearing about Quixtar, find a way to not be notified every time someone posts. I love to argue, and this happens to be the topic I most like arguing about right now. So I'm sorry if I'm bugging you, but someone has to smack these Quixtar idiots around. It might as well be me. (Though the forum has been up nearly two years, I've only been posting for eight months).
As for you, Ed, I think you might be legally retarded. You don't debate. You ramble. You spout out anything that might create some kind of thought and put it on this forum.
The only thing sad about my spending three months in the Quixtar pyramid is that I didn't recognize it for what it was before then. Quixtar is one big delusion of grandeur and nothing more. So if a ignoramus like yourself doesn't give a “plug nickle if you was in the business for three months” I don't really care. Just know that I'm about fifteen rungs higher on the evolutionary chain.
My guess is that you don't even know what some of those words mean.
Kevin, I'm with you on this one. Quixtar is something I feel very strongly about. I'm very against it and I'm not about to give up yet. To everyone else, it's not even just the money part of Quixtar the bothers me. I mean, there are so many scams out there taking money from people, but there is a major reason that I think Quixtar in particular is horrible. Quixtar doesn't just take money from people, it takes lives too. I mean this, literally. Yako I can completely relate to you. My boyfriend is also a member of Quixtar, but he wasn't when I met him. After he joined, I noticed how much he changed….for the worse unfortunately. Well, I can't even begin to get into it now but that was all he would talk about. You don't even know how many times I had to sit and listen to him and then tell him I was not interested in joining. The reason I know so much about Quixtar is because as a favor to my boyfriend, I ended up going to a couple of Quixtar meetings and events. I wanted to boycott everything with Quixtar, but these opportunities seemed interesting. So I went because I wanted to know what really happened after you join the business. I pretended to put on a happy face and act somewhat interested. Well, this is how I found out all the terrible things I know about Quixtar. They tried to brainwash me, and I pretended to be. I wanted to see how far they would take it. What I learned from this is that Quixtar representitives can be very convincing, however it is sickening what they try to do to people. My boyfriend who is an IBO even told me that in order to get someone to join, he will not tell them everything about Quixtar at first. He also looks for people who look “lost or loney”. He also admitted that he must always pretend to be successful with Quixtar. Okay, if someone were to tell me that after I joined Quixtar(which I never would in the first place), I would have to wonder…wow I bet that means they also lied to me to get me to join. Anyhow, it really is the whole concept of this “business” in whole that bothers me. Even if it's not now, Quixtar SHOULD be illegal.
Kevin,
IBO figures were posted in a press release by Quixtar back in early Sept. 2004. I have the link for this but it has not been archived anywhere that I can find. The report appeared on a site called MLive.com. This is a clearing house for news items for Michigan related news and carries feeds from PRNewswire. This story was discussed on a few different blogs.
I was an IBO for 5 years. Started in Amway in 1998.
boy, u don't even know what the ebolutionary chain is…and like i said before..why do all u that oppose quixtar result to name calling…let me rephrase that…kevin, why do u result to name calling…by the way i'm certifiably retarded…i got papers and all…and i don't think u know what some of those words u were referring to means…3 months…what a joke…
dave u was ibo for 5 years…what's your story…at least u gave it a chance…
So Ed, are you just the one Quixtar IBO that was assigned to this blog this week? And are you really the best they can do? At least Gregory had some sort of justification for his arguments…he was wrong, but at least justified.
You're right, I don't know what the ebolutionary chain is. You just may be the pinnacle of stupidity.
Come on, Kevin. Play nice.
Wow, this blog is pretty ruthless, huh? :-) Anyway, while he could be a bit more considerate of other people's feelings, I have to say I agree with Kevin. His points are justified and his data above (except for the bit about 800,000 IBO's) is pretty accurate. I just got out of Quixtar after being active IBO for two and a half years. During that time period, I put everything I could into the Quixtar plan; I ate, drank, and thought Quixtar products. I worked diligently for 29 months and after all of my hard work and patience, do you know what I found out? Quixtar isn't worth it. I earned no more than $8,000.00 total over that time (that factors out to about $276.00 per month), and a lot of it I put right back into the “business”. I also found that when I went to my upline for help, they said I wasn't putting enough effort in and encouraged me to buy books and tapes for motivation. They also refused to disclose their income amounts to me. Take it from me, Quixtar is a scam. They are no better than the guy on the corner trying to sell Rolexes for $5.00. It's a hoax and an illusion; just a way for the upper percentiles to take advantage of a few misguided souls. I would advise anyone involved in it to get out just on principle.
Thanks for the time, warden! :-)
well john, at least u tried it for more than three months…i,m sorry that u had a lousy upline…i've been in less than a year and have talked to one person in my upline once…and that was him calling me to wish me happy thanksgiving…i don't put a whole lot of time in cause i reached my goal to supplement my income…i found a few solid clients and depending on their buying habits i make between 1500 and 3000 dollars a month now…now i didn't make a dime the first four months in the business…but now it's at least 1500…sorry it didn't work out for u john…but i do want to know how everyone figures that it is a scam…who is getting scammed…who is doing the scamming…if someone can show me that it is a scam i'll quit…not just opinions but facts that some legal entity found it to be a scam…not dateline, 60 minutes, forbes magazine…a legal entity…i looked and looked for months before i got in and could find none…i just heard a lot of opinions from people that didn't succeed in the business…found some lawsuits that were filed against quixtar but were dismissed…
as for u kevin your insults do not bother me…they just show exactly how childish you are…i don't care if u think my comments are justified or not…i'm just stating the facts as they pertain to ME..but you still haven't said exactly how much u lost in THREE MONTHS…did u request a refund…sorry for the typo on evolutionary…i don't find it necessary to go back and check every word…i figured with all the money u wasted on college u would be able to decipher any typos…I WAS WRONG… from your stupid, legally retarted, not so bright, moron pal…ed
No further comments required, Ed. You said it all yourself.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYONE! Thanks for all of the good discussions/arguments and laughs. I hope you all have a good holiday…yes, even Quixtar people too. Back in a few days, I'm sure…
merry christmas to you to kevin…everyone have a safe and merry christmas
come on all you anti-quixtar folks…i'm waaaaaaiting…where's the scam…show me where some legal entity deemed this a scam…not yuo kevin…your facts are scrambled…i'll leave that typo there just for u…give u a brainteaser…work on it a while…you'll eventually figure it out…just poking fun kevin…couldn't resist…but just in case u really can't figure it out the answer is you…
People in the business promise to generate wealth for you in a few short months. Does that really happen? Of course not! You end up investing more money and time every month, than you actually make. I give props to the man that created this idea and is now a billionaire capitalizing on the dreams of innocent people.
Ok, just joined Quixtar’s the Team. I really don’t give two stones to the wind about what all you the are for or against it say. I know that I am a person with a life, and I will invest my time and money into whatever I feel.
If there is a small chance that I can make 1500 to 3000 a month, then I am going for it cause it will help me live a better life. I don’t care about the statistics, but if I do become a millionair in 3 – 5 years then looks like I am going to be on of the smart ones profitting off of the late-realized dreams of the people to join after me. If I only end up making about 2 – 300 a month, well thats more than I started with. So it really isn’t any loss to me. Plus I enjoy being around the people in the team because they are all helping each other out, unlike people in a normal work place where its look out for #1.
The people in my upline are all really cool, plus I am living with two people that are in right now that are already starting to see results after only 2 months or less. So, say what you will. If this helps me achieve my dreams and goals, or just enough to get me through college, then well enough for me. Be happy that some one is living their dreams, and don’t get mad that it isn’t you. Remember, you have the option to believe, it’s wether you are willing to take the chance , and give up the comfortable 9-5 job you got now.
Plus, I am in the Army (I know i will recieve eve more criticism now). I chose to join for some stability, but this will make it so no one in my family will have to serve to feel financially stable ever again. Now, if they want to thats a different story though. But now Im getting off topic. Take my word or not, this isn’t a pyramid, it does work. It is whether you choose to make it work or not that is the factor.
At AIT, we had a saying, “You make it happen.” It is the same in the line of being an IBO (Independant Business Owner), you do make it happen. What IBO has ever had something happen for them without physically doing something for it to work?
Good luck, can wait to read what is left for me in this blog.
For those out there who don’t know what a PYRAMID SCHEME is, Quixtar is not. It’s about PRIVATE FRANCHISING not scheming. It’s not a get rich quick plan item either. Get rich over 2-5 years perhaps. However, I’m not disappointed one bit that my upline is making a small % from my business and I’m making the majority. Has a company ever given you a percentage for anything by recommending anything to a family member or friend. Quixtar is a reputable company that markets for Circut City, Barnes and Noble, the Disney Store, Office Max, as well as others. AND IM SURE THESE COMPANIES WOULD WANT THERE REPUTATIONS TARNISHED RIGHT? All the numbers presented by Quixtar are approved by the FTC (Federal Trade Commision) and the BBB (Better Business Bureau)therefore it’s legal. Instead of listening to all the people who doubt and diss the company, listen what Forbes magazine says about Quixtar. I agree QUIXTAR is not for everyone. Making the money is not made in your sleep. IT TAKES WORK!!!! It’s been said you reap what you sow right? WHAT YOU PUT IN IS WHAT YOU GET. I’d rather be working towards a better future and lifestyle than watching TV everynight. I’ll admit firsthand that it takes drive and determination to become sucessful but, look at Abraham Lincoln, even he failed for 30 years at business, and even politics before becoming President. As far as BWW.com is concerned, the website helps to grow the business. The man behind this is Bill Britt. Go to one of those Quixtar meetings and find out who he is. Truthfully, I wish I lived life like he did. The majority of people that open their own business with Quixtar are Doctor’s and Lawyers. I encourage you to contact the FTC and the BBB and ask as to whether it’s a scheme or scam. Wouldn’t you rather be spending your time on the golf course, with your wife / kids, etc. doing what you want to do, instead of revolving your life around work? I know there is a lot of negativity around Quixtar, but the founders behind it are some of the richest men alive! If anyone is interested working hard the next 2-5 years, and then living worry free e -mail me.
I want to apologize for those who did have a bad experiance in the “business”, you had a lously upline or you either weren’t motivated. However, I have the benefits of an upline in which 3 members are highly sucessful and genuinely care about eachother. I know that if I needed help (outside the business) they’re there for me. This isn’t a business that is formed by a bunch of drunks, but one that is based on professionalism.
Matt, when the average Quixtar IBO makes $1400.00 annually, that means there’s something besides a lack of motivation and lousy uplines that makes this business a bad idea. (By the way, Ciruit City is in trouble financially because of Best Buy and Walmart and the Disney Store is a nearly defunct entity. I think reputation is the last thing on their minds right now.)
Chris, joining the Army and joining Quixtar are two completely different things. Joining the Army is commendable and brave. Joining Quixtar is neither. I sure hope that your upline hasn’t brainwashed you into thinking that they are similar in that manner.
Good luck going Diamond.
Kevin,
It’s good that you’re here to smack a few “newbees” around. As for me and my earnings, that is the wrong question to ask and let’s me know that you’re not qualified to be an owner – and that’s ok. You’re doing a good job though having people get information on QS. It’s good to have a dream but choosing the “vehicle” to get there is the choice….and let’s face it, QS wants people to think they are the Porsche when they are really a Pinto-it will get you there…in 20 years.
Cheers my friend! Continue the battle.
Ok, I have read ALOT of negative things about this Quixtar company. I was approached last weekend by some Quixtar reps, and they gave me a packet for me to read and a CD to listen to. I really dont know whether I should get involved or not. Its convincing making extra money, but having to spend money to make money doesnt make sense either….Ahhhh, someone help please!
re: Sarah, here is your help…DON’T DO IT!! Save yourself much time, money and heartache and run frmo these bastards as fast as you can!!
Read the e-book Merchants of Deception. This was composed by a former Amway/Quixtar kingpin that really blew the cover of this scam. That is only the beginning.
Sarah, do NOT do it!!!! I’m serious, I would not spend my time on this website just making stuff up. Quixtar is not a good thing to get involved in. I am just warning you. You may think you have nothing to lose, but Quixtar is more than just money. By the time someone has “contacted” you, you are already in the process of being brainwashed. Get out while you still can. As for Matt, no offense but you proved my point exactly. People in Quixtar look up to the very people taking their money. It is sad that Bill Britt and other scam artists are actually seen as role models. Even after completing fraudulant activity (I do mean besides Quixtar), I think that it’s ridiculus people still listen to him. You might as well just try to copy a successful robber. It would be the same thing.
Please sign my petition to shut down Quixtar!
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/StopQuixtar/